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QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 07:18 PM) yes, and the QBs I stated all along in this draft have been whom? Frye, Orton, McPherson? I also stated that I would have rather had Campbell than Rodgers. I mean if they HAD to take a QB with that pick and spend a ton of money on the QB position I would have much rather taken Campbell than Rodgers. However, I would have taken neither. I would have taken a defensive player such as Marlin Jackson and went after Orton or McPherson later in the draft. JMO. haha like 3 hours later.... WOMP WOMP

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 06:34 PM) Busty St. Clair? Hootie McBoob? Chesty LaRue? haha, man the Simpsons are great

Good job man, even though Jas cut me off right when I was in the middle of posting to you

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 06:31 PM) Now, wait a minute, I fully endorse Dougly-bashings at all costs. Hey thats why I included it as when everything is good

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 06:26 PM) I just can't stand to watch you guys spew profanities when arguing sports. It's crazy. Somewhere amidst that garbage rests vaild points and good grounds for debate. I can respect that but it happens... and I dont take any offense to it at all.. Arguing about sports gets heated sometimes, not like I am going to hold a grudge or anything.. I understand how it goes.. s*** me and Willie argue about stupid s*** all the time then the next time I get online were making fun of Dougly and everything is fine..

Its cause shes black isnt it :headshake

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 06:14 PM) All of his points were vaild. If you want to argue them, please do so in a more civil manner eh'? I get this feeling Addy wishes he was a mod real bad

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:59 PM) That list proves absolutely nothing. There are a ton of busts just waiting to happen on your first round list. Absolutely meaningless list. Ok ignore the people taken this year and then re look at the list... anyway you wanna try and "what if" this your wrong

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:58 PM) Oh is that what I stated? I think you better go back and check that out. I stated that I would have rather had Marlin Jackson or another defensive player in the first round because it would fill a greater need. I said I would have rather had Campbell, Frye, Orton, or McPherson than Rodgers and take a defensive player in the first. I stated that Campbell, Frye, Orton, and McPherson are equal to or better than Rodgers. You want to go back and look at my argument? I never once stated what you in fact just claimed that I did. Like I said you don't even know what you are arguing about anymore. You are absolutely clueless. You fought all this time because that is what you thought I said? You sure wasted a lot of your time buddy. Damn retards. QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 05:16 PM) First, we were not arguing about later than 2nd, but after the first. I would say there is just as much success rate in a QB taken after then 1st round.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:54 PM) If QBs Harrington, Ramsey, Boller, Grossman, Manning, Rivers, Roethilisberger, Losman, and Smith fail, then where does this put your argument? ahhh the what if game... face it... that list I posted alone proves if you want a starting QB your chances are better getting one in round ONE.. Not EVERYONE will work out, BUT those taken in the first work out a lot better than someone taken in later rounds... You dont have to like it, but the proof is right there in front of your face..

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:50 PM) Meaningless Meaningless? Your whole f***ING argument started with the fact that the Packers could have gotten someone else in the 5th round and still would have had equal talent to Aaron Rodgers... I think that list I just posted should shut your ass up

QB's taken after first round since 2000: Matt Schaub, Luke McCown, Craig Krenzel, Andy Hall, Josh Harris, Jim Sorgi, Jeff Smoker, John Navarre, Cody Pickett, Casey Bramlet, Matt Mauck, B.J. Symons, Bradlee Van Pelt, Dave Ragone, Chris Simms, Seneca Wallace, Brian St. Pierre, Drew Henson, Brooks Bollinger, Kliff Kingsbury, Gibran Hamdan, Ken Dorsey, Josh McCown, David Garrard, Rohan Davey, Randy Fasani, Kurt Kittner, Brandon Doman, Craig Nall, J.T. O'Sullivan, Seth Burford, Jeff Kelly, Wes Pate, Drew Brees, Quincy Carter, Marques Tuiasosopo, Chris Weinke, Sage Rosenfels, Jesse Palmer, Mike McMahon, A.J. Feeley, Josh Booty, Josh Heupel, Giovanni Carmazzi, Chris Redman, Tee Martin, Marc Bulger, Spergon Wynn, Tom Brady, Todd Husak, JaJuan Seider, Tim Rattay, Jarious Jackson, Joe Hamilton, Derek Anderson, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, Charlie Frye, David Greene, Stefan LeFors, James Kilian, Adrian McPherson, Dan Orlovski, Kyle Orton, Andrew Walter QB's taken in first round since 2000: Chad Pennington, Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, J.P. Losman, Jason Campbell, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers Bolding the Starters now... Bold' Campbell and Ramsey cuz one will start

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:40 PM) Saints dont and Chargers don, 1st pick of second round is still a second rounder. PLus I said 17 or 18 starting QBs are first rounders. How many of them will be considered good? Bears Lions Bills Ravens Bengals Steelers Texans Jags Giants and Redskins QBs still have not proven themselves to be good over the long haul. Doesnt change the fact that they are 1st round QB's starting.... not 4th or 5th rounders..

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:40 PM) Saints dont and Chargers don, 1st pick of second round is still a second rounder Over half.. 17 teams

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:35 PM) Carr is not franchise. He can be, but isn't. Pennington is not franchise. He can be, but isn't. Just because you are picked to be a franchise QB doesn't mean you are one. I already agreed with WhiteSox that Vick is. Although I don't believe he is a great QB or even as good as Drew Brees, however he can run and protect the ball very well. Um, when an Expansion Franchise takes you 1st overall to be THE Franchise, you are a Franchise QB.. VERY few teams have QB's starting that werent 1st rounders... Bears, Lions, Vikings, Bills, Jets, Ravens, Bengals, Steelers, Texans, Colts, Jags, Titans, Chargers (1st pick of 2nd round), Giants, Eagles, Redskins, Falcons, Giants all have a 1st rounder starting for them..

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) Go back and point out where you said anything close to what Zoom said you ridiculous fool. You could have never came up with that argument by yourself. You are half a retard waiting for answers to be handed out. Now put your dunce cap and go to the back of the room. look at the things I said BEFORE Zoom posted you dickhead.. Ive been saying the same things everyone else has been telling you.. your just too f***ing ignorant to realize it so you wanna sit here and try to justify your bulls*** posts which make no sense..

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:28 PM) No you haven't. Other have come up with good arguments. Zoom came up with a very good one that you tried to piggy back. You havent shown s***. Thats that same f***ing thing I have been saying that he said, you have just been painted into a corner now and trying to cover your ass.. Give it up, your argument is pointless

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:27 PM) really Carr, Vick, Leftwich, Pennington, and Hasselbeck have progen this how? How has Palmer or Roethlisberger? I agree they can be, but to make the statement that they already are is kind of ludicrous. I didnt say Palmer and Roeth were, I said that were PICKED to be Carr was #1 overall, he is the face of the franchise and has improved every year.. he is a franchise QB Um, Vick was just in the NFC Title game and the Falcons BUILD around him.. I dont like him as a QB but he IS a Franchise QB Pennington another 1st round choice that has developed into a very good QB, hes a franchise QB

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:25 PM) You have proven absolutely nothing, but then again do you ever? You usually just hope others point things out for you and hope your right. You are clueless. Oh, and I almost forgot, you throw in childish insults to help your case. I have said the same thing everyone else has told you... get it through your head, your wrong and now your just looking like an ass

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) Most of the QBs in this league could not be considered franchise QBs. Franchise QB's Culpepper Manning Favre McNabb Brady Carr Hasselbeck Leftwhich Pennington Vick McNair Those are ALL Franchise QB's, thats without mention people who were picked to be the Franchise like Palmer, Roethlisberger, Smith, and Manning

QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) The success rate is no where near the same and you are kidding yourself if you truly think that. Sure there are a lot of busts in the first round but there are tons of quarterbacks that don't even make teams or are career third stringers from the later rounds. Its pointless to try to get this through to him, he wont get it

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:04 PM) Steve McNair- can't remember exactly where he went, but he was either a late first or second round pick. McNair was the 3rd Overall pick in 1995

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:12 PM) The point isn't whether you can find a mediocre quarterback that gets by for a year or two in the later rounds. Clearly you can. But how many franchise-type QB's get taken on the second day of the draft? In the last 20 years it's basically Brady, with Young coming out of the USFL. Not exactly a high success rate there. Thats the point but SS doesnt seem to grasp it.. If QB's rated 1st round talents were = to 5th round talents then why even take a QB in the first round?? Smith and Rodgers were closely rated, are you saying Smith is no better than Orton?? s*** why even take a QB in the first round, according to Irish you can just pick one up day 2 and be set :headshake

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 04:08 PM) yeah you did a lot of research there T R U. Good job. Just give it up... no one here agrees with you... and you dont even make any sense.. Again you just look like a moron