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It's the Paul Konerko, "Smell the Roses" tour. Whatever. Hope they trade Dunn still.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:56 AM) Bruce Levine ‏@MLBBruceLevine 2m Konerko was told that he would be a DH verses some Left handed pitching and help Abreau as a backup at first . Contract $2.5 Levine has consistently misspelled Abreu. Cubs fan.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:41 AM) This move is all JR. Sucks to see Hahn have his hands tied by his owner already. Absolutely. And Hahn has to talk to the media and smile and lie his butt off. Part of the job, I guess.

Deferring part of 2.5 mil? What am I missing here?

You get 324 starts between 1B and DH. Maybe it can work with something like this... Abreu- 140 Dunn- 108 Konerko-76 Nahh...this is going to be bad.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:27 AM) I mean, maybe he'll kick ass? Have to wonder if we have something arranged to send Dunn out of town That would be nice. Both things.

When the answer wasn't "no" four weeks ago, it was always going to be an eventual "yes". So this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. 2014 has the potential to be just as bad as 2013. Hope the draft class is good in 2015.

It feels like nobody want our s***ty players that the Sox overvalue to begin with. Stuck in the mud for another year.

It's not happening. And what's your definition of filling seats? This team had Frank Thomas and there were teams that didn't get 1.4 mil.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 08:21 PM) That's how much he averages now Exactly. Dumb money. But they have it.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 08:10 PM) Ok, now that I found out the Sox let Salta go to FLA for 3/21, I'm going to be PISSED if we give up talent to get freaking Lobaton. Holy s***. Whatever the Sox have to give up for Lobaton probably won't be worth anything to get mad about.

How many games does he average over the next 7 years? 120?

I think Phil Rogers has a crush for Granderson. And not just a man crush. Full on. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/408053030651568128

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 04:45 PM) If someone said I can have Salty for 3/21 or Beltran for 3/48, I'm picking Salty a thousand times though The Royals are in a position where they have to overpay to get the guys they really want. Same thing with the Mariners. I think Beltran will benefit being in the AL. Maybe Butler will get traded next week.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 04:39 PM) Granderson is one of my favorite athletes of all-time, but I'd prefer to not lose a high 2nd round pick for him. Gut feeling, the Sox were interested in Granderson for 2 years, but not 3. And he'll get three from somebody. Same thing with Salty.

Wow, busy day in baseball.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 03:54 PM) Salty is a Marlin. Hopefully it's Alonso, Jaso, Rosario, Castro in that order. Do you mean Grandal?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 03:44 PM) 3rd move in 26 hours. Jealous. Not that Dylan Axelrod getting non-tendered isn't exciting stuff, but...

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 02:44 PM) Fathom, rebuilding with guys like Loboton?? Cmon. Lobaton is a place holder while the Sox are rebuilding.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 02:32 PM) K0na broke something on twitter last year or a couple years ago. I can't remember what it was though. EDIT: Looking through his twitter, he broke the Buehrle to TOR trade, the Danks extension, and the Peavy to SOX and Jon Garland trades as well. Teahen to Toronto for Frasor was last thing I remember. Whatever his connection was, is probably not there anymore.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 02:30 PM) There isn't much else for Phegley to prove in Charlotte. Flowers gets dealt. Lobaton and Phegley split time in Chicago. Phegley is terrible though.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 02:24 PM) I want better than Lobaton. I don't think it's out of the question that Flowers ends up traded, and Phegley goes to Charlotte. PLenty of time.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 12:55 PM) All these teams are making moves these past couple weeks while the White Sox just sit there, masturbating. It's a little frustrating seeing other teams get stuff done, no doubt. But we'll see what happens during the Winter Meetings. It's more exciting when it happens there anyway. It gets more attention.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 12:17 PM) Not arguing the point, because it's your call, but I think a valid comparison to Morris is Buehrle. Do you believe Buehrle is a Hall of Famer? If Buehrle would have continued innings-wise what he did 2001-2005, and maybe added some more postseason success, plus keep going 5-6 more years, I think he would have had a good case. I remember saying if Buehrle did in his 30's what he did in his 20's, then he's got a hell of a chance at the Hall. Unfortunately, he's backed down on innings, and hasn't done anything in the postseason of note since 2005.

1979-1992, the average AL start was 6.23 innings. Jack Morris averaged an inning more than that...over 14 seasons. Again, I'm not saying somebody is wrong for thinking he's not a HOF. There were better pitchers than him in shorter bursts. But the guy was way durable in his specific era, and did some things in the game that were special.