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QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 05:09 PM) oh man that must be 1 huge burn to those marlin owners. Loris gets revenue sharing money. I doubt he notices. That said, Ozzie is getting 6 million for sitting on his ass from 2013-2015. Why beg for a job now?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 05:00 PM) Yet the Cubs draw and the Sox do not.if everything remains status quo when it is time for a new building, there is no way the Sox stay where they are at. In 2029, when the lease ends, I will be shocked if they are not at the exact same corner. There really is no where to go. Unless the state wants to dish out 3 billion for land, stadium, and infrastructure costs.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 05:12 PM) how at 1 time there was talk of the sox moving away from there present location. which i still think is a great area, not idea but better than shields. There were a LOT of proposals back in the 80's. Mostly in a west loop that is now developed. There is NO land downtown or nearby cheap enough for a new facility.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 04:42 PM) Sox stadium to me isn't that different to me from Citi parks location. It's not the iconic "mixed within the city" look of San Fran, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Boston, Bronx, Coors, etc...but it's the next best thing. The stadiums that work in suburban locations are almost all in cities with low density and driving is expected. It's basically "good enough" and anything you swap it out with would be about as convenient, otherwise it's improbable from a cost standpoint without significant city buy-in...and why would Chicago? That's my point. The cheap land in the city is not good enough when you factor in highway access, and the better parcels are too expensive.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 01:33 PM) Do UD tickets get LD access now? I thought the answer was no, but they'd allow it if the attendance was weak enough. Season tix have access. That includes 7 game plans

All he has to do is give up 2 million dollars from the marlins.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 04:05 PM) long time ago, and i think it was when the bulls were for sale, i may be wrong, but the newspaper were running something about how, after the lease the sox may be next to the stadium. the bears ownership were angry and was having a war with Wriz. i remember Billy boy just told the bears to name a price and he would buy the bears. some one even mention how the bears, sox and hawks being in the same area. nothing else was said after that. And what does this have to do with my extensive deconstruction of your earlier comment about wrigley traffic?

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 04:09 PM) yes the masses and convenient in walk up, the area appealiing after the game excitement. i know it is a poor excuse, but as long as that is not there, the sox will find it hard to attract the huge numbers and maintain the popularity of that draw. The masses can get there EASIER than at any other facility in Chicago. The 2006 season had 59 sellouts despite no "nightlife" and the dan Ryan reconstruction. Maybe sox fans go there when the team wins 90 games and competed for a division title?

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 04:01 PM) yes i know, but you really need to understand, the dem party and yes daley and his family was a big part of that, helped. that is all Daley was not even in office. He was RUNNING for mayor. All he did was shovel some dirt at the groundbreaking. Jerry reinsdorf's college buddy got the $186 million for the stadium. That and Michael Madigan stopping the clock.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 12:11 PM) My after work routine for games: Go to Walgreens Buy two 24 oz beers Take green line Go to parking lot and sit on curb, share beer with friend Walk in I love this. It's very convenient. When I lived in suburbs no train past 1030 was a bummer, but that should be an easy fix. a six pack of old style is cheaper.

it'll get retired eventually.

1-312-674-1000 is the number to call. Or email [email protected] Of course, a 7 or 14 game plan may be a better option for some, as tix can be had for as low as $5 with lower level access.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 10:41 AM) People are driving less and less, clearly key to sox future is to ignore that trend and buy in the suburbs. Known by all for interesting nightlife and transportation convenience.Well, a Culvers or Chili's by the park would make season ticket sales SOAR!

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 08:17 AM) For whenever we are due a new stadium, the Sox need to commit to either the suburbs or downtown. I'd prefer downtown, personally. I think I was the one who originally brought up the post office site a few months back. Admittedly I was ignorant of the history a few months back, but if the price is ever right, I'd love to see it. the land cost prohibits downtown. unless the city AND the state got involved. And suburban communities are trying to fill space NOW. They won't hold onto land for 15-20 years in the hopes the sox come. At least the ones that are experiencing growth in home and retail development. If the cubs, working from a position of market strength, refused to look at FREE LAND offers from Rosemont and other communities, why would the Sox, who are in a favorable lease with IFSA?

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 11:43 AM) it doesn't matter about what you are trying to defend about parking, while it is a good point, the area is not appealing. it needs to be in an area where it is convenient for the masses. i literally just explained why the 35th street site is the best option for the sox in the city. It is MORE than convenient for the masses. Am I missing something?

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 11:32 AM) give me a freaking break. show the links of this so called info that you are spouting. There was quite a few articles about this after the announcement. of course, the braves are not stupid enough to say that, but the ticket data they used to rationalize the move skews toward the more affluent white suburban counties. The failed to account for walk-up or season ticket sales, as the data was only ticketmaster online sales. you add the season sales, and the number push sales into the city center at a closer rate to single game sales. Of course, the braves didn't want to pay for the updates to turner field, and a free stadium in the burbs was in reach. But they cited lack of rail access to turner field as a detriment, but are moving into a county that had vetoed almost every MARTA extension, so take it as you will. Also of note, but not really in this post, was the braves now complaining about having to use a renovated olympic venue for home games all these years. but the truth of the matte ris that the olympic organizers DESIGNED turner field to be converted into a baseball only facility after the 1996 games. It was always the plan.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 27, 2014 -> 08:55 AM) Don't the Cubs fans have access to the Yellow, Purple, Brown and Red Lines? On top of that, bus service almost non-stop, Lake Shore Drive and Kennedy(to the west) along with a bunch of nightlife or hang out after the game options. The Sox could do worse than 35th and Shields, but they could also do much better. Wrigley is not as good transit wise as Sox Park. The red Line stop services three lines, but it's only ONE STATION. 10k people go into ONE STATION postgame. Sox have three SEPARATE stops/lines on 35th street. big differenace. Bus service means nothing when there are 12-15k cars filling the streets in a square mile around wrigley. LSD does NOT have an Addison exit. You need to get off at Irving or Belmont. AND, the Drive is a parking lot as you get into rush hour from Roosevelt TO Hollywood. The Kennedy exit for Addison(and Irving) is as far West as Pulaski. That's almost FOUR MILES from the Friendly Confines.(Belmont is at Kedzie, which makes it around three miles west). The Dan Ryan exits for Sox Park(31st, 35th, and Pershing exits ) are HALF A BLOCK EAST OF THE STADIUM! The Cubs have a free(con't argue with that) remote lot for 1000 cars, but that is at Irving and Rockwell, still about 2 miles from the park. And fans need to take a shuttle from there. Sox have 7000 ON-SITE parking spaces. At a reduced cost of $20 per game($10 on sundays). You got me beat on the oh so important nightlife and "hang out after the game options". But The sox allow tailgating pre-game(with a little postgame) and I always see the vast majority of cars leave the park as soon as the game ends. Maybe the marketplace has spoken in that regard.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 09:41 AM) with ref to the price, sox park, isn't it owned by the St of Ill. and the sox leases it??? it was some kind of sweetheart deal with Daley and JR. with the St of Ill saying no to the sCrubs, the new park will need to be finance by the owners. so i will doubt it with JR group./ Jim Thompson financed the park. Daley was running for office in 1988. Eugene Sawyer was the mayor at the time. And the man he replaced, Harold Washington, is the one that made the deal with Thompson to keep the Sox at 35th and Shields.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 11:17 AM) We'll actually be getting an experiment on this in the next couple years as the Braves open their new stadium.well the braves have clearly made it known that the only brown people they want at the new braves stadium are the ones that work there on and off the field. they chose the one county in the greater atlanta area that has steadfastly REFUSED extending MARTA rail access in it's borders.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 22, 2014 -> 05:14 PM) Yes they would. Pretty much all of their top talent. Tampa hasn't really been selling high in this latest talent dump. Plus longoria's contract off the books helps them in the long run. When they are in Montreal.

I would go after longoria. He has a below market contract, and it's one that the sox could jettison if things don't work out. And I doubt the sox would even need to give top talent up In the deal.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 22, 2014 -> 12:35 PM) The only "crack" going on here is you cracking me up by continuing to suggest the location at 35th and Shields is the "best spot" for this franchise. I don't know why you keep saying this. It. Is. Not. The decades of poor attendance records proves that beyond a doubt. Not to mention, but the current location wasn't even in the current ownership's top three choices back in the 80s when they were looking for a place to build the new park. As has been mentioned ad nauseum, the area lacks the surrounding nightlife options that so many other ballparks have, and there remains a carryover stigma from many years ago that the area around the ballpark isn't the safest. You combine those two considerable factors, and you can have the best rail service, the most amazing traffic patterns, and all the parking in the world, and it won't matter. As long as the destination itself remains as it is today - uninspiring with no attractions - no one is going to go there unless there is a bona fide winner on the field. That hardly defines the current location as the "best spot" for the Sox. Name me one spot where they have access to three train lines( one going as far as Joliet).", a super highway literally across the street from the stadium and enough space for 7000 parking spot? Oh, and isn't going to cost over a hundred million JUST FOR THE LAND!

Most of the comments in this thread seem to be made under the influence of crack. Sox are going NOWHERE UNTIL 2029 and will likely build on the old comiskey site. It is the best spot when you factor in rail service, traffic patterns, and parking.

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 11:27 AM) The kids made moves that the old man would never have allowed. His allegiance to Bob Pulford was mind blowing, plus is love for the Sutter family smh. The old man couldn't figure out the media, etc. He has to go down as one of the wirtz owners in all sports. You mean rocky. Peter wirtz has bills right hand man and no longer has anything to do with the hawks. As for bill, he more or less continued his father's policies. But on the plus side, he did fire bobby hull because he was an anti-Semitic wife beater.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 15, 2014 -> 02:26 PM) Again, there is zero way to even guess where they might find land for it in 2029. Who knows. Neighborhoods can be come ghost towns, large factory properties close, etc. At any given time there are large lots out there. I mean right now, even in relatively desirable areas, you've got the massive Finkle Steel plant property in Lincoln Park opening up. There's a large lot along the Chicago River next to Elston just south of Division. The list goes on. There is just no guessing right now, and there is certainly a chance the changed ownership group may have very different ideas of how to grow by that time. Where else will you have the infrastructure of THREE commuter rail lines, one major expressway with three exits servicing the park, as well as 7000 parking spaces?