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If only we could have swept KC more last year...

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 04:08 PM) As far as the "quitting" issue, I don't really care that he left the team with 2-3 games to go or whatever it was. Who cares? The season was over by then anyway. Why do you want the Sox to win this year? Season's over anyhow. Why not just suck and get a better draft pick? See how that logic works?

I wonder how Marlins fans remember Ozzie.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 10:50 AM) One day after Cadillac shows off the best looking concept from an American manufacturer in god-knows-how-long Tesla scores well on the idiot proofing tests. Guess which story the public took to? It breaks my heart. Yeah, you know, safety tests don't matter. At all. That new Cadillac concept looks meh compared to a Tesla.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 09:14 AM) That's because he was at 2011 levels in May. His last couple of months he has been better than he has ever been as a White Sox. Dunn also had a .900+ OPS through May last year. In fact, his highest wOBA on a monthly basis was in May of last year (.412).

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 11:35 PM) I don't like to write off my summers. Time is precious in this world. Every day the White Sox play has the potential to be a good day for me if they win. Granted it's not life and death, but it's a nice boost to the day. In answer to your question, I really don't care if we get the 4th pick as opposed to 3. If that makes me a bad fan, I'll have to deal with that someday when the 3rd pick is oodles better than No. 4. There's a chance we won't even get the 4th pick. What if we get the 6th pick? 7th pick? There is a difference between the third and seventh pick. And in a crapshoot like the MLB draft, one slot can make a difference. Hell, the Bulls were two picks away from drafting Dwyane Wade as opposed to Kirk Hinrich in the 03 draft. You just never know.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 11:22 PM) You guys who want the White Sox to lose are like the guys who play the "don't pass" line in craps. You are no fun. Greg, would you rather have the 3rd pick in next year's draft or win some meaningless games?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 11:23 PM) That's why I'm wondering if he's our new bulldog/grinder. I liked his facial expressions in the dugout. He seems to have TWTW for a lousy team. Oh lawd.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 10:32 PM) You think the Sox have a chance at the playoffs? I don't think we're going to out-suck the Astros and Marlins. But yes, stop winning so much. I want that third pick.

QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 07:22 PM) Fielder is only 30 though. I can't imagine his decline is happening already. This is his worst season since his rookie year. His dad fell off a cliff at 32.

QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 07:25 PM) Garica needs to walk more. Plus its too small of a sample size. It's good to see his power developing a bit (he hit nothing but singles last year for Detroit). The patience will need to improve, but it won't matter as much if he can be a .300 hitter.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 09:18 PM) I'll give him time. He hit righties really, really well this year in AAA Can he learn to take a walk while he's at it? He makes his fair share of contact, but he's walked once since he's been up in 109 PA. That's insane.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 08:48 PM) Today at the press conference they said they have already eclipsed 1 million preorders. That's f***ing insane. Sony says, "thanks MS".

QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 07:27 PM) Not to sound like a total n00b here, but what is the diff between fWAR and bWAR and when should they be applied, and to whom? Sorry if its been answered already, I'm too lazy to read through this mess. The main difference is how they evaluate defense and pitching. For fWAR (FanGraphs WAR), FIP is used to calculate pitcher WAR (for relievers, leverage index is also taken into account to give closers more value) and UZR is used to evaluate player defense. FanGraphs took the all or nothing approach. Since ERA is defense dependent, they won't use it. Instead, they only take into account what the pitcher can control (components of FIP, which are HR, BB, HBP, and IP). bWAR (Baseball-Reference WAR) uses ERA and a team's fielding to determine pitcher WAR and Total Zone to evaluate player defense. This may sound good in theory, but the validity of applying Total Zone to pitchers over a sample size of 200 innings seems iffy, IMO. I'm actually not sure what differences there are offensively (I've never really delved into that part for bWAR). Usually, bWAR gives you some very odd WAR leaderboards at the end of the year (Darwin Barney was worth 36 runs above average on defense last year...WHAT?). As does fWAR, but to most statheads (at least on this site), fWAR is much more popular and much more agreed upon.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 04:47 PM) More range = more errors More range = more run saving plays But the new members all agreed with Greg "The Pied Piper" 775. Well in the eyes of pretty much all fans... Errors during crucial situations = this guy sucks in the field Great plays in not as crucial situations = this guy has range, but still sucks in the field.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 04:03 PM) He's already been there this year. Yes he has.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:36 PM) I think he took Adderall to write that story. So well done. He's an excellent writer. I believe he also writes for WEEI. Edit: his articles can be found here: http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/ba...or/gabe-kapler/

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:48 PM) Many times on the waiver list the best players in baseball pass through unclaimed because teams know there is no point in claiming them. They will be pulled back and the team will have wasted a claim. Instead they claim players they might be interested in acquiring or they claim players to try to block other teams from them. There is literally no point in making a waiver claim on Mike Trout, for example. Now before someone throws a hissy fit, I am not saying this is the case for Adam Dunn, but it goes to the example of not being claimed meaning that no one wants you. From an actually honest perspective, I don't think any team in their right mind would want to claim Dunn for $15 million a year for the next two years. The guy's starting to get to the age where big sluggers decline (just go look at Prince Fielder. If Greg and company think Dunn is an overpaid bum, wait a year or two for Fielder to turn into a even worse hitter) and he hasn't exactly been consistent the past three years. Plus, he's a 1B/DH (a bad 1B at that), so he pretty much holds little to no value in the NL. Add on the fact that there's a good amount of productive bats at 1B and DH already and he's not much of a commodity in the AL either. Would teams take Dunn's bat for $10 million and one year? Probably. Two years and $30 million? Probably not. But that's just the price you pay when you go out and sign a big free agent (which Dunn was in 2011). You have to expect decline towards the end of the deal if you're signing a guy who's over 30. Just imagine the Gregs and jerksticks who are Angels fans or Tigers fans. They'll be saying the same things about Fielder and Pujols in the near future (if they haven't already).

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:46 PM) That is interesting however. What if he stayed healthy and did reach 3,000? You should take a look at his statline this year, it'll tell you everything you need to know.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:42 PM) One of those 2 is very unlikely to go to the hall of fame. Yeah, but he also has > 600 home runs. Remember when Bonds was near the end of his career and nobody was willing to offer him a contract despite the fact that he would have been one of the best offensive producers in baseball for like $10 million a year?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:42 PM) only 800 away, lol Juan is ageless, he will easily get 200 hits per season for the next 4 years.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:29 PM) Dude. Greg's point is that it's unprecedented how a guy who might reach 600 home runs can't even be given away. 15 million dollars for 40 hrs and 100 RBIs. Bad ass "production" as many claim yet 29 other teams say hell no. How is that not unprecedented? Examples please. All bashing aside. Um... Alex Rodriguez and Albert Pujols will go unclaimed, easily.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:27 PM) Pierre doesnt have the distinction of being one of the elite in any category. This is all contingent on Dunn hitting 600 homeruns of course, which means he will have to play pretty well for the rest of his career. But he almost has 3000 hits!

QUOTE (farmteam @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:16 PM) 1st bolded: Everyone tries to throw a shutout. Some are better at holding onto leads than others, whether that means giving up 4 ER in 6 IP or 2 ER in 7IP. 2nd bolded: That's why I said over the course of a few years, not one year, and definitely not one game as you indicated. Would I rather have the guy who consistently 2ER in 7IP instead of the guy with 4ER in 6IP? Well duh. But if the latter guy, over the course of a few seasons, consistently gets wins throwing like that, I'm going to give him a bit of credit for at the end of the day getting the W. That still doesn't make any sense. I mean if he was winning those games where he drove in 5 runs during every start, then sure. But that would mean he's a better hitter than pitcher. But the point remains. Run support should not decide a pitcher's value. The entire point of advanced metrics is to take away dependent variables like run support and focus on the independent variables, i.e., things the pitcher can control. If you were to switch the teams your two example players pitched on, giving them opposite run support (where the guy who throws 7 IP and gives up 2 ER gets good run support and the guy who gives up 4 ER in 6 IP gets crappy run support), would you give the latter guy the benefit of the doubt when he loses 15 games? I have an idea of what you are trying to say. That being able to hold a lead and pitch to the situation is valuable. But it's certainly not valuable enough to determine a pitcher's value when something like that is also not totally up to the pitcher.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:20 PM) BECAUSE ONLY 8 PEOPLE IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME HAVE HIT THAT MANY HOMERUNS WHY IS THAT SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?!?!?! You know who should be in the HOF? Juan Pierre.