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Sale projects to be a 1.5 WAR reliever with how he pitched last year. It wouldn't be the end of the world if he ends up being that for most of his career. After all, how many first round picks in our team's history have actually panned out? I think that question can go for almost every team. Having Sale start does boost his value, but you're also risking injury at the same time. I don't think it hurts to have him take a smaller load early in his career until he gains some weight.

Sox sign Josh Kinney to a minor league deal.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 12:37 PM) I feel like you didn't read my post, accidentally clicked on reply and then typed all this. If one good half of '06 is one of the best in team history, then you are making my point for me. And even more importantly, if you are claiming the entire '06 campaign was one of the best offenses in team history, then that just amplifies my point louder than speakers. That team scored the 4th most amount of runs in White Sox history. It's also the second highest amount of runs scored in the modern era (beyond 2000) for the team. The offense in the second half wasn't that bad, they were at least slightly above average. The team had a .778 OPS in the second half, a .829 in the first half. That is a noticeable difference, but they weren't as bad as some thought they were in the second half. The 06 offense, as a whole, was one of the best offenses in the history of the team by numerous team statistical measures, there's no way around that. Your point is that the team was inconsistent (all or nothing), even though they did score a bunch of runs. The problem with that statement is that the 06 team had a better OPS in losses than most of the balanced teams in the team's recent history, like the 05 Sox and last year's team. Consistency of a team's offense is usually over-exaggerated. Very rarely will you have a team score 15 runs in one game and 0 in another. But when that happens, it seems like the severity of that notion is amplified. However, that's not always what happens and I'd rather have a team full of boppers than a team of scrappy Marco Scutaros any day.

Yeah, this has been discussed before. ptatc said it might not be as big of an issue as some of us think.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 02:26 AM) Yea I do remember that great first half of the season when we were the greatest team ever assembled. (.288/.354 as a team) But then I remember the horrible 2nd half all the way through 2009 where we averaged around .260/.325 To describe Corpse Ball even more- during that same stretch the Sox batted around .300/.375 in games they won and a putrid .215/.280 in games they lost. First half 2006 was the outlier that entire time. Twins consistently have a clip around .270-.280/.340-.350 while the Yanks are annually around .280-.290/.350-.360. Those teams don't dip as low in loses as we do either. Just sayin we never look like a .340+ OBP team, even during our decade of having "power teams", except for the games where we connect on homers. And it's so hard to watch year in and out. This team seems pretty stacked but I still fear corpse every year. That team was victimized by the pitching falling apart. As hot/cold that offense was, the pitching was almost worse. In wins, they had a 2.34 ERA. In losses? 8.34. The 05 team, which is probably the model team you're looking at in terms of consistency, had an OPS 19 points lower in losses than the 06 Sox. There's nothing with building a team around power, especially when you play in the kind of park we do. Last year wasn't exactly "corpse-ball" free either. Last year's team had a .625 OPS in losses. Surprise, surprise. The whole notion of "corpse-ball" is exaggerated. Corpse-ball is 2007 where the team had a bunch of AAAA players and couldn't score to save their lives. Saying one of the best offenses in the history of the team played "corpse-ball" is just incorrect.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 11:10 PM) If that's what you want... This is a different Bears team now. The o-line isn't complete garbage, they have a more balanced attack and run the ball much more effectively, and Jay Cutler isn't coming off of a game where he got brutally gang raped by defensive linemen. I don't think there's any sane Bears fan out there who would rather play the Eagles next Sunday.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 11:01 PM) He's never "done" so to speak, but he may not have enough money to sign anyone else to deals more than $1M or so guaranteed, and he may not find good enough deals out there to make it worth clearing salary in another deal. I'd love to see a Teahen + prospects for bad contract + cash deal OR a Teahen + cash/prospects/both for smaller salaried player. The areas we need to deepen are the bullpen, potentially the starting rotation (some extra insurance would be great), and a good 4th OF capable of starting but used to rotate around while spelling Rios in CF. Some potential targets for one of the above deals: Brandon Lyon 11:$5.25M, 12:$5.5M Coco Crisp $5.75M Michael Wuertz 11:$2.8M, 12:$3.25M club option ($0.25M buyout) Ryan Sweeney 1 year/$1.4M (2011) Nate McLouth 11:$6.5M, 12:$10.65M club option ($1.25M buyout) Kosuke Fukudome 11:$13.5M Aaron Rowand 11:$12M, 12:$12M Francisco Rodriguez 11:$11.5M, 12:$17.5M option ($3.5M buyout) Angel Pagan 1 year/$1.45M (2010) Mike Gonzalez 11:$6M Danys Baez 11:$2.75M What I really want is KRod, but we'd have to include some good prospects to get that done and without including Dayan, Morel, or Mitchell (I wouldn't trade those guys) I don't we'd have enough. I'd happily ship out Escobar, Thompson, Santos Rodriguez, Flowers, Infante, etc. Brandon Lyon could be an excellent fit though. We'd have to give up something good here, too, but not as much since we wouldn't have to take cash back. Winning in 2011 is of the ultimate importance to this organization, so I really hope something is out there. We just can't f*** it up this year. I would love Angel Pagan. Unfortunately, Alderson's the Mets' GM now and you can't trick him like you could Omar Minaya. Wuertz is a hell of a reliever too, but we're not getting Billy Beane to take on Teahen. BTW, whatever happened to the Mets trying to opt out of K-Rod's contract? How did that workout?

Very good bounce-back win tonight, especially after playing last night on the road.

I am salivating at the opportunity for the Bears to play the Seahawks at Soldier Field. Go Packers!

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 06:28 PM) I agree w/ Coop. Have Sale start for the first month or whatever, then send him straight to AAA to start until/if a starter gets injured/traded I think the key is to not have him be a starter and then all of a sudden start closing or something. Once Peavy is back, ease him back into his bullpen role.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 05:06 PM) You're a Falcons fan? Then hope the Packers win.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 05:01 PM) Corpseball = 2007 = Jerry Owens And Andy Gonzalez, Alex Cintron, and I can go on and on and on...

QUOTE (IamtheHBOMB @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 05:00 PM) You mean like 06 when the White Sox offense was raping 'erbody out there? Yea, that sucked. Don't ever look at things at a whole man. Just remember the really rare bad times and over exaggerate.

Please let the Seahawks win so we get to play them. Please.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 02:28 PM) Do you envision a return to the corpseball days of Thome, Konerko, Dye? Those were the worst, and people used to think that was a good offense. I'm with ya man, I hope this doesn't become Corpse: The Return. I guess we have better players all around so I don't see it being that bad with Dunn. Those three were a vital part of one of the best offensive teams in White Sox history in 06. Corpseball...lol.

Seattle's doing pretty well right now. But I doubt they'll be able to keep this up the whole game.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 02:43 PM) It seems like the Sox may try to add Tim Byrdak on a minor league deal/invite to ST. LOOGY's galore! Byrdak's only gonna get a minor league deal?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 01:14 PM) Sounds obvious. But it seems like many around here think this team is 10 wins better or something. They're still a lot of question marks. FWIW, I combined the projections out there right now and they have the Sox at 93 wins. That's with pretty moderate projections on Beckham and Quentin and Peavy making 23 starts.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 01:05 PM) I won't go nuts over two years and 4 million. But my stance on relievers remains the same. And I'm one that doesn't believe this team is any better outside the massive upgrade in Dunn. If Beckham and CQ don't bounce back and PK regresses along with not having Peavy for possibly half the season we could once again fall short to the Twins or even the Tigers. Well yeah...Not having arguably your most talented pitcher and having two of your better offensive players totally flunk will definitely put us in a bad position.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 12:41 PM) What does the bullpen look like with healthy Peavy? Like one the of the deepest, most orgasmic, ones ever.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 10:49 AM) I can't imagine the Phillies adding anymore to their payroll. He would make that Philly team unstoppable. Their bullpen's mediocre right now. But if you add Soriano and put Lidge and Madson in setup roles, it would make that bullpen one of the better ones in the NL. But yeah, they don't have the money. Perhaps if they trade Joe Blanton, they can offer him a deal.

BTW, I think the thread title says "sigh" instead of "sign" right now.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) Who else were we going to sign for that money that was better? I would love Andruw Jones back on this team.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 12:13 PM) That's not so bad. It's the last of the team's free agency money though, I'm willing to bet. Oh well, at least they spent it wisely on a part of the team that needed improvement. Ohman was easily the best left handed specialist remaining on the market.

Projected Bullpen w/o Sale LR Harrell/Pena/Carter MR Infante/Bruney/Gray MR Pena MR Ohman MR Santos SU Crain CL Thonrton Let's hope Sergio gets better next year. His peripherals last year said he got pretty lucky, but we shall see.