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The 1st or 2nd pick usually comes with a bonus in the $7.5-$8 million range. Sox would also have one of the first 2 picks in round which is close to $2 million. $7.5 million is more than their entire draft pool from previous year.

Levine's latest article mentions interest from the Rays

I wrote about it today: https://www.bagadonutssports.com/blog/2017/...g-but-should-he What do you guys think?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 11:11 PM) Yeah I'll agree with that. I wouldn't call it 'fun' though to see those hacks serve up three gopher balls in a row to the Royals tonight after seeing Pelfrey slow the game down to a crawl seemingly afraid to deliver a pitch in his final inning of work. Albeit he did put up zeros so kudos for that, but ... Yes sir. I can buy that post. I do understand the concept of a rebuild The topic is: "How do you rate the rebuild so far?" I agree with what you said, everything you said. I'm just saying to rate the rebuild so far, you can't give it more than a 2 3 or 4. Why? It's a process and right now we are in the s*** part of the process. The only thing we have next to the prospects' names are expert rankings, which mean NOTHING. I told everybody to no avail that I applaud the prospects we got and the rankings next to their names. Fantastic. Probably couldn't do better in that regard. But to rate the rebuild so far??? Well, you have to take this as a process. At this stage of the process the rebuild is nothing but horses*** baseball at this time and prospects either doing their thing in the minors or getting ready to rake. Relax, folks. My grade of 2 is the CURRENT GRADE, how I rate the rebuild so far. I told everybody that as we start winning, if we start winning, the grade goes up and up. Could it someday be an 8 9 or 10, I said sure it could be. Am I 'happy' with the prospects we got? Sure, on paper of course. But again, all seasons matter. Why is that so hard to understand? And at this stage of the rebuild this season is horrific. Until the Sox start winning, my rebuild grade is very low. I DO understand the rebuild. Ignorant about the draft? Hmmm. Pedro Alvarez second; where was Trout drafted? Rodon? Fulmer? Look I have the right to not give a s*** if we pick third or 13th. I happen to think you get a good player at either slot. I understand why you guys think losses are part of the rebuild. I happen to think that is a horrific way of rebuilding. You are talking a few draft slots here or there in a draft where there are no guarantees. None. Why can't you humor me on this and say you understand my position. You DISAGREE with it, but my position is completely logical. And I will gladly increase my rating of the rebuild if and when we start winning. If we win a division and WS or two or three because of this rebuild, fantastic. I will be first to watch the parade on TV and buy the WS T-shirts and hats again. But as of now ... I want proof. My grade for the rebuild is tied to upcoming success and right now it's abysmal failure (in terms of this year's team). You guys can say getting the No. 1 or 2 draft pick means everything to a rebuild and that losing is the way to go. To me? No. 3 pick vs 10 MEANS NOTHING. That doesn't make me the dumbest fan alive. You all think I am a dunce. I wasn't going to use the word dunce...

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 10:57 AM) Hard to see this team winning many games with this pitching once Swarzak is gone. Considering how the starters have been pathetic at going deep into games, we are looking at a ton of innings for horrible relievers. Once Swarzak gets traded, the best pitcher on their team will have 0.5 fWAR.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 08:53 AM) Yeah the Big Sick was excellent. truly great writing. The BIg Sick was great. One of the greatest movie jokes of all time too.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 08:06 AM) Going to see the big sick tonight Watched Get Out and Lion on my last flight. I'd only recommend Lion from those two. I was in tears Get Out was my favorite film from last year.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 10:46 PM) The first episode of Ozark was f***ing phenomenal. Yes. Ozark is awesome.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 10:43 PM) The Sox aren't paying money while trading Quintana to the Cubs or while trading with the Yankees, but that doesn't mean that if they are trading with the Rays, they can't. They likely could have increased prospect return by doing so with the Yanks. I think they'll dump Melky to whoever saves them the most coin. I hope to be wrong about that.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 08:33 PM) Both free agents and pretty good chance neither will be on the team next year. Makes sense to package them to a playoff contender looking for an extra push without giving up top prospects. 1 team that seems like a good match is the rays. They are known to be looking for bullpen help and have some combo of Bourjous, Brad Miller, and Trevor Ploufe at DH currently after the Rasmus deal went horribly wrong. If we chipped in a little $ I think we could get a pretty good prospect back from them because they are deep in the minors. Justin Williams, Jesus Sanchez, or Lucious Fox would suffice as headliners to me + another pitcher in the 25-35 prospect range sound like enough? Too much? Any other teams make sense? I don't see the Sox paying any $$ so that's probably an unrealistic return

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 09:37 PM) we're gonna have a real shot at this. Especially when/if a couple guys like melky get moved. Would not be surprised to see other guys like abreu shut down for some borderline injury at some point either Yes they are. The team is 38-56 currently with 68 games left. 24-44 finish really isn't out of the question. That's 100 losses

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 04:09 PM) I think people should just save the Carson Kelly talk...he ain't goin' anywhere...not with Molina getting pretty long in the tooth. Perez would probably be more realistic than Kelly...but if I had to guess at any prospects it'd be one of their arms...and I'd start with Alcantara (which might be a long shot too). I agree. Sandy Alcantara, Magneuris Sierra and Delvin Perez are my favorite guys in that system

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 10:29 PM) I'm really surprised people don't understand my point about this. You have to consider this team's record in grading the rebuild. All seasons are equal. You have to take the bad with the good. Let's say half the prospects make it and the Sox never creep about .500 in this rebuild. In that case you have to balance that with the miserable seasons to see if it was worth it. Look ... all seasons count the same. This one is horrific to watch. Next season will be the same. The rebuild will remain a failure. If and when the team gets good with the prospects, the grade starts to improve. If the team makes the playoffs it improves more. If it makes the WS the rebuild becomes a 9. What is so controversial about what I am saying here? They said to rate the rebuild as it stands now. Well, as of now I'm sickened by this baseball team trotting Holland, Shields and Pelfrey out there. So the rebuild is a 2. Can it become an 8, 9 even a 10 at some point? Sure. Your point doesn't make any sense. The whole point of this is to be really bad at the major league level while accumulating a s***load of high upside prospects. There is zero reason to be winning games right now because it's counterproductive to what they are trying to do. If you're gonna win 75 games then you might as well win 65 games and pick really high in the draft to accumulate more high upside controllable talent. You're extremely ignorant about the draft though. You're entitled to post whatever you want but you can't honestly wonder why people don't take you seriously. You have these inane opinions and continue to post them and ask questions. Others, like myself try to reason with you and explain what is going on but you just ignore it. What they were doing before is a failure. At least there's a point to all of this.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) Please tell Rick and KW to explore all options trading him immediately, if there's no interest (as there shouldn't be), DFA this joke immediately Why? He needs to pitch. He'll either regain some value and bring back a prospect in August or he will help the Sox by blowing games. It's really a win-win.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 08:11 AM) Right now, the two guys with biggest ceilings IMO for next year's draft are two pitchers (Singer/Rocker) Brice Turang pretty damn good

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 07:22 PM) Remember...I was never on the tank bandwagon so my response shouldn't be a shock. My view is in the NBA, stars can force below market trades. If Kyrie wanted to come to Chicago...it could have gotten done. I think that's fantasy land.

QUOTE (KnightsOnMintSt @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 05:18 PM) I actually thought my proposal was light. Obviously Jimenez is the prize, but I don't even think in that trade that there is a second headliner. Some good potential. But Dunning and Adams are bullpen guys to me. Collins cant hit above .220. To me Hansen would be the second headliner but there are some serious concerns. I think he'll be really good for the White Sox, but we all know about his command in college. Adams is a very safe bet to be a backend starter. Jimenez is one of very best prospects in baseball. Collins is one of the better catching prospects in the league and has a .950 OPS in July. Hansen and Dunning are like top 150 prospects in the game. This is way, way too much and the White Sox would likely never consider anything like this.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) So, if I'm Dan Gilbert, I'm seriously considering the option of trading all of the big 3. Or maybe you keep Love, and trade Lebron and Kyrie for an insane package of 1st round picks over the next 2-3 seasons. Lebron is the only one of the three that has a no trade clause, but surely if you deal the other two, and his choice is a trade or a lost year in Cleveland, he's going to OK it (within reason I suppose). Kyrie supposedly said he wanted to go to the Knicks, Heat, Spurs and Timberwolves. He and Jimmy are tight. If you're Thibs, could you package basically anyone and everyone other than Jimmy and KAT for Kyrie? Throw in some picks? That wold be a pretty fun team in another season or two... They can't anymore. They just signed Jeff Teague to big $$ and he can't be traded until December. Irving should have done this sooner.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 03:19 PM) Any word on Tito Polo? Yes. He's in Birmingham. I answered this yesterday.

QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) Have some fun: Where is Irving going and for what! He'll be In Cleveland. He's under contract. He mentioned Minnesota, San Antonio, Miami and the Knicks. He needed to do this a month ago if he was serious. He's probably stuck now.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 03:00 PM) Welp...I truly do think the Bulls made the wrong move. Kyrie wants out of Cleveland...would have been a great piece to put alongside Jimmy. Hopefully they hit the lottery on the draft, etc, otherwise we are going to look at a long run of sucking. Jimmy made it clear on so many occassions how committed he was to Chicago and to bringing other stars to Chicago. It would have happened. OMG not you too. I've been fending off people on twitter talking about this. The Bulls didn't have the assets to acquire anyone let alone Kyrie Irving with Jimmy Butler on the team. What were they going to trade? #16, future 1st, Rondo, Portis? Why the hell would the Cavs trade Irving to a divisional rival for s*** just because? None of this makes any sense

Lots of b****ing about Collins in this thread...dude has a .960 OPS in July .282/.370/.590.

This is an interesting take by Jeff Ellis on some of Blake Rutherford's struggles:http://www.scout.com/mlb/scouting/story/1792445-white-sox-yankees-trade Blake Rutherford is the gem of this deal. I had him as the number one player in the 2016 draft, because I believed strongly in his hit tool. There has been talk about issues with his power production this year and how he has been merely average in low A. First off, Charleston is one of, if not the worst, places to hit home runs in the minors. Rutherford’s home runs might be down, but he has 20 doubles on the year, which shows he is still hitting the ball hard. It is a horrible place for hitters in general, so I have little concern about a kid in his second year in the minors being a league average batter in a park that suppresses everything. Rutherford has mostly played center, but his future is in left field, where I think the bat will play. His approach is still strong, and I would expect to see his numbers trend upward now that he is out of Charleston. This deal was mostly about Rutherford, but I still think he is one of the top 30 prospects in baseball. The White Sox turned a rental, a reclamation project, and an overpriced reliever into another high ceiling potential middle of the lineup type of bat; that is a win, for me.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 03:38 PM) Anybody know Polo is going? 14 games at AA with Yanks, and he excelled. He's reporting to BIrmingham

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) Would you take a guy in that range for Swarzak? I know I would love that return. Absolutely.