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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:43 AM) So basically you should just never try unless you get Lebron or Jordan or Kobe? And if you aren't one of those teams you should just consistently tank until said generational talent appears? That's a better plan than being the Memphis Grizzlies IMO.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) I dont understand how you can say all of the above here, and then in the next post say if your aunt had balls she would be your uncle. You guys differ on who is closer to a championship, but none of us know which team is closest nor do we know how they get there. All any of us know is that Chicago sports (that this site currently follows) suck. The end There are definitive ways for the Bears and White Sox to get to a point in which they are competing for titles. Both franchises have started down this path. There is no definitive way for the Bulls to reach championship level (while keeping Jimmy Butler) in the near future. You guys may think the idea that the Sox and Bears being good is crazy but those sports allow you to become better in a hurry. The nature of the NBA is not like that. The Bulls only option is tear it down to the studs and they haven't been willing to do it.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) I am not sure 3 wins is very much indicative of the roster the Bears had to start the year. Not to dive in on this and detract from the Bulls discussion, the Bears could have easily been 6-10. They lost 5-7 games by a single possession. They lost their #1, #2 and #3 QBs for the year. They lost their #2 receiver and 1st round pick for the year. They lost their #1 WR and one of their best defenders for four games each to steroids. They lost perhaps their best player in Kyle Long for the whole year. They lost their TE for the year. They lost their C for year before the season started. They lost perhaps their best defender in McPhee for multiple games. They lost Trevethen for the year. They had the worst secondary. Yeah, I am making excuses for them and good teams win close games but this was a "when it rains it pours" season for the Bears. It was just one thing after another after another. If the Bears have reasonable health next year and address the secondary they should improve incredibly. If they could find a QB, obviously huge task, they could compete for a champion pretty soon. The NFC isn't that tough a league. Finding a franchise QB is much easier that a superstar in the NBA. The best QBs after the top tier are from all across the draft. Wilson a 3rd rounder, Carr a 2nd rounder, Prescott a 4th rounder and Cousins was a 4th rounder. It's not like you need to pick in the first few picks to get a franchise-changing player like in the NBA. Bears have a strong front and some redeeming pieces on the offensive side. Just need to continue to accumulate depth and put their eggs in the right QB basket. Of course that's easier said than done but it's not as much of as an inhibitor of finding a superstar in the NBA. The Sox, while baseball is a total different beast with the playoffs being a crapshoot, are on the right path at least. They in a clear, committed direction. They suck for a couple years and they should have a budding young core with more prospects in tow with a boatload of money and a pending TV deal around 2019. Far better plan than that of the Bulls whether they opt to keep or move Butler. I completely agree with all of this.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:33 AM) What if your uncle didn't have balls? Then he'd be my aunt. Duh.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:32 AM) The entire NFL is a franchise QB away. I mean, that is literally day 1 stuff. Then factor in that despite where they finished, that guy doesn't exist in this years draft, this team is already years down the road without going anywhere. I'm not sure that guy doesn't exist in this year's draft. Just something media people are saying that haven't watched enough film yet. Lots of groupthink going on with this year's QB class.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) Yeah, he's admitted that his source from the Sox hasn't been very good so far. That's why I said he's at least worth monitoring, but hasn't been right on his Sox scoops yet. He makes s*** up. He had a trade with Rays going down, he had the Cubs close to a deal with Boone Logan among other things. He had 2 really good guesses. Sports Mockery is s***.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) Yes. The problem with the NBA is that there are only about 3 or 4 teams with a legit shot at the title any particular year, if that. But OTOH, there are several teams one player off if that player is Lebron or Durant. If the Bulls somehow got one of them, suddenly they are legit contenders. This is true. And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) Their paths are both prayers and hope at this point. Call it "I have a dream". Odds are that 10 years down the road, nothing has happened. Not true. If the Bears get the right QB, they have a chance. That's the way it goes. s***, even when the Sox were floundering the past few years they had a shot. If they could have snuck in the playoffs during 1 of those seasons, Sale and Q could pitch their way to a World Series. Both teams have a much better chance at championships in the near future than the Bulls do. I can't believe it's even a question in that sport.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) I am with you...I can not see how one can argue that any of these franchises is closer to a championship and I still think the Bulls are probably the closet by nature, albeit it is a sport where I think it is hardest to win a championship (I think the other sports are easier in some sense because it is less likely at times that the best team actually wins). In basketball, I typically think the NBA champion is truly the best team (we could argue Golden State last year due to Curry's injury...but that is a rare exception, imo). In football, there are definitely years where the best team had a bad game and didn't even make the superbowl (baseball same thing...run into a hot team and the best team can fizzle out quickly). You think they are the closest? How? We have different tv's man.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:23 AM) I think they have $29 million in cap space if Wade stays, over $50 million if he flees. But I agree, the top free agents aren't coming here. Mark Shanowski said that if Wade opts-in, they don't have enough for a max free agent

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) The only thing I can think has happened behind the scenes is some sort of guarantee of a FA coup to the front office by Wade and Jimmy. There is zero reason to stay the course otherwise On a side note, McBuckets is wrecked. His confidence is completely gone, he is bricking free throws now. There was a second half scramble against the Kings where both teams turned the ball over it seemed 6 consecutive times and Doug was involved with every one of the Bulls turnovers. He threw a pass into the other half of the court like he thought it was ok A FA coup with what $$ though? That's not the plan. The plan is marketing. That building is full every night because people are idiots.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:04 AM) I don't even know how to figure that out. Bears don't have a QB on the roster capable of leading them to a superbowl, so I don't see it with them. Sox, hell if I know. We have no idea who any of these prospects are and what will happen. Football tends to have more turnover and quicker rises from bottom to top, so it could be the Bears, but I don't know how to justify that statement. I know you disagree that the Bulls will be unable to put another superstar around Butler, but given they have one of the best players in the land (in a sport where best players matter the most), I would still say Bulls are most likely of teams to be successful over the next 5 years. I don't know that I'd peg any of them to win a major championship in that span, at least not now. Maybe all the guys the Sox traded for go on to become superstars and it could happen, but there is no science / high probability I would put on that. It seems clear that the Bulls path is to target free agency this off-season and we'll see what happens. I think they are going to try another year with Butler and at that point, they'll see what they want to do. I think the report on Gar was more to shut everyone up from talking about the front office for the time being and stop the distraction. That said, none of us were in the rooms when the front office went the path of Wade / Rondo. They might have said, look JR, these moves aren't going to make us much different then being a 7th/8th seed, but here is what / how we see this move helping us take the next steps forward. So while fans might be dissapointed, the ultimate expectation and plan might actually be unfolding as they saw fit (obviously not in the sense that Niko sucks, etc, but more from a roster perspective). In fact, I can't imagine any of them thought Butler was going to take even more steps forward. More delusion in my opinion. Big free agents aren't coming and they don't have the cap space if they wanted to. If the Sox or Bears get into the playoffs in the next 5 years, they have a "chance" at winning a championship. The same cannot be said about the Bulls in the NBA. Being competitive is bulls***. There are 6 banners in that building. Doing everything possible to put a 7th up there should be the goal and it clearly isn't.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:04 AM) A guy like Q WON'T be available in next years free agent class because the guy has near zero financial obligation compared to the rest of the market. Sure. They won't have to trade top prospects though. And Q's price will be cheaper if he's still on the market next offseason.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 10:49 AM) I don't know how you can say clearly. There isn't one of the 3 where a championship is anywhere in sight. Bears and White Sox have a path to a title. Draft, trades, free agent signings. The nature of the NBA puts the Bulls in an impossible situation. Barring like 5-6 teams getting in a plane crash, there really is no path to a title for the Bulls.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 10:35 AM) Why? Their rotation is absolutely horrific and they have no shot at winning anything right now. It's not a compete year for the Yanks. Maybe if they are in it in July, they'd pull the trigger on a move for Q. They'll have $$ to spend next year when there is pitching available. I wouldn't be trading prospects if I were them right now.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) You know...despite all the Bulls struggles, they are still the professional sports team that currently provides me the most enjoyment (given that I'm not a huge hockey fan). Sox / Bears are awful. Even these past two years, I can still watch and vividly enjoy Bulls games. Not as much as I could during the Thibs era, but they are still a solid team who plays some good games. Yes, they do their share of frustrating things, but hey, if I'm comparing to my other franchises, the Bulls are by far had the most success (maybe a sad statement, but a true statement). I'm hoping the Bears change that soon...but Sox are a few years away from having what I'd call an entertaining product (in the sense that we can even be thinking about the playoffs). Bulls are clearly the furthest away from winning a championship. And that's what I care about.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 10:16 AM) Yankees fans are f***ing morons. They're arguing with me that giving up Frazier and Rutherford for Q is too much. I wouldn't give that up if I were the Yankees.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 09:45 AM) Too light in my opinion Musgrove has mid rotation potential and a high floor due to his excellent control. He was a top 50 prospect going into last season (and still would be top 50 if eligible) Fisher/Laureano + Stubbs does not equal the value Musgrove can bring at all I'm bullish on what Musgrove can eventually become. I feel like he will become a true #3 starter on a contending team. If that's light then I don't see it getting done.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 09:19 AM) Fans need to boycott Bulls games until one or both of them are fired. Talk about being unqualified for the job and underperforming. Bulls fans are sheep. They are #1 in attendance. This was interesting from Chad Ford's mock draft though: 17. Chicago Bulls Jarrett Allen Texas Freshman Center The Bulls are a mess and the rumblings that there could be major changes to the front office and team this summer appear well-founded. Trying to discern what's next for them, given the team chaos, is difficult. Allen is a project, but an intriguing one. His defense is ahead of his offense right now, but over the course of the past few weeks he has been making major offensive strides as well. He seems to be coming on at the right time and could be a nice backup to Robin Lopez for the next year or two while he adds strength and experience.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 09:07 AM) Hahn has continued to insist that the White Sox will not compromise on Quintana...meaning they still are firm on the Musgrove + Martes + Tucker asking price I'd be open to a depth package, but if no Musgrove then I'd need Franklin Perez and AJ Reed to make up for it We have no idea if they asked for Musgrove, Martes, and Tucker though. That seemed like something floated to Gammons.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 08:18 AM) Is there a test for CTE that can be run on living subjects? No. You need to analyze the brain after death. You can suspect that one has it because of symptoms though.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 08:05 PM) Nah, just growing tired of the minute by minute overreaction circle jerk on this board. LOL I don't expect it to stop anytime soon with this freak show in office.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 02:03 PM) The hope is the GOP remembers it wants LESS governmental control. Because an unqualified moron just bought herself a cabinet position. Me and my colleague were debating earlier how much actual money I'd pay to watch her get eaten by a grizzly bear.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) DeVos has got to be the most plainly unqualified Cabinet member ever, right? At least since the modern, post-spoils system reforms in the late 19th century. Yeah probably. I teach Special Ed Reading at a very good Junior High in Will County. She's terrible but at least the Department of Ed doesn't really have as much of an impact as people think. Mostly done at the state and local level. It'd still frightening that they bought her way to that job though.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) Are you a Bama fan? He would most likely kill it there. I'm not a "fan" of a college team. It would be fun though.