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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 12:24 PM) Not high on Frazier myself. I'm hoping for something along the lines of Torres/Rutherford/Montgomery/Fowler for Q. I really don't think asking for two highly ranked A ball players is asking too much as a headliner in a trade for Q. No chance Torres goes anywhere IMO.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) I know it's only been a handful of games and a small sample size, but I'm starting to worry a bit about Moncada's K rate. MLB pitchers are going to eat him alive if he doesn't improve. He's probably a bust.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 12, 2017 -> 12:42 PM) I'm in your corner on this. There's no reason to have that low a payroll when you are a big league franchise playing in Chicago. Very sad. At least tickets should be dirt cheap for the best seats on the secondary ticket market sites this year if anybody wants to see The Cell once or twice a summer despite the product. Tickets are always cheap for Sox games. Even when they're "contending".

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Mar 12, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) I don't call it a rebuild. I call it having one of the lowest if not lowest payroll in MLB. I fully expect the team to be sold after the 2018 season. It's much easier to sell a team with a low payroll and no long term contracts on the books. That's how I see this. If anybody thinks JR cares about anything else but money, I think they're misreading him entirely. I could be wrong. Time will tell. It's not that you could be wrong. You are most definitely wrong.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Mar 11, 2017 -> 09:05 PM) Wright was underused as the Titans' slot receiver last year, but he has the talent to make an impact in Chicago. His signing makes Eddie Royal's $5 million cap hit expendable. Cameron Meredith, Kevin White, and Wright should open 2017 as Chicago's top three wideouts, with Markus Wheaton competing for a roster spot. The 20th overall pick in the 2012 draft, 27-year-old Wright offers vertical ability in the slot. He underachieved in Tennessee due to clashes with several different coaching staffs and hard-luck injuries Per Rotoworld Wheaton got $5 million guaranteed. He's on the roster.

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 02:23 PM) Havent the Titans been the favorite for a while though? I hope he comes back it just seems like he doesnt want to be given all things equal. Maybe this will end up how the Lance Briggs contract situation went. Not for what it looks like he's going to get paid. Market came back close to what Bears were offering. They had productive talks the other day and Rapoport and Stacey Dales both said he's testing market and then coming back to Bears

I actually think Jeffery is coming back. Niners signed Garcon and Marquise Goodwin. Philly is signing Kenny Britt. Leaves the Bears and Titans for Jeffery

Brian Hoyer to the 49ers.

LOL we haven't even seen the Glennon deal yet

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 10:49 AM) Uh...the Red Sox did before the trade. The Nationals before the Eaton deal as well, maybe the Dodgers, Brewers, Padres, Braves, and Yankees too. My point isn't that Hahn got robbed in this trade. Moncada and Kopech at the front end were great gets. I'm simply saying he probably could've gotten one more impact piece had he been a little more persistent in the negotiations. Mike, I'm sorry but that's absurd. Rick Hahn is a pretty shrewd negotiator. He got what they wanted in the deal. Groome was the best pitcher in last year's draft. He's a top 50 guy. They weren't getting a top 3 prospect, a soon to be top 20 pitching prospect, and another pitching prospect that could be top 20 by end of this season. Asking for Groome as well is crazy. He's not some throw in.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 09:55 AM) There is a difference between a "top 50 prospect" and the #1 or #2 prospect in baseball Other than Benintendi, Moncada is arguably the most prized prospect in baseball right now Kopech is a top 20 mlb prospect Basabe is a top 150 mlb prospect, possibly top 100 with a good season Diaz is an interesting throw in with a 70 grade fastball. Could turn into a relief option? Devers was never going to be included in this deal, as Boston knew that their package was better than the Nationals Moncada has the chance to be one of the best players in baseball. Kopech could be the best pitcher in baseball. 1 writer that everyone hates has him as the best pitching prospect in the game currently. That was the best you could possibly do IMO. Keep in mind that Hostetler comes from the Schuerholz method of scouting. Athletes at premium positions. Basabe is an athletic CF. Diaz is a great 4th piece because if he's kept in bullpen, he should come really quick. There's no reason to complain about it. Our initial expectations were too high. It doesn't matter what we think Chris Sale was worth anymore. The market showed us exactly what he was "worth" and every writer/analyst widely praised the deal

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 08:58 AM) That's debatable. While I'm not upset about our return, I still think we could've gotten more. Moncada/Kopech and Diaz as a wild card are fine, but I wish our 3rd piece was better. I know Devers would be unrealistic, but I feel like getting Groome over Basabe would have been a better reflection of Sale's value. They clearly couldn't get more. You could argue that a package of Robles/Giolito/Lopez from Washington is better but then you don't same prospect from Boston for Eaton. This was a long process. I'm pretty sure the Sox extracted the maximum value that they could.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) As long as there is little to no gaurented money after year 1, I'll be fine with. Saints were said to be really high on Glennon when he came out, so ya gotta assume Pace was apart of that. I would be willing to see it play out. He was behind a god awful OL in Tampa, then Lovie got cute and brought in his guy McCown, and then Winston fell in their laps. Maybe a better situation is what he needs. Pace would certainly be putting his reputation on the line here, and if Glennon sucks, that could be one foot out the door. In the draft, I wanna see the Bears go Adams in the first, best corner available in the 2nd. 33rd round is where I would hope to grab a Nathan Peterman or Davis Webb. Neither of those QB's are future NFL starters though. That's a wasted pick. They have to take a QB in 1st or 2nd and it should be one of the top 4 guys. That's the only way this makes sense. I'm not sure Adams is worth a top 5 pick. He didn't test well and while his tape is good, you need to check every box to go in the top 5 at that position.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 08:42 PM) To start the season I'm thinking something like this. Rotation: Q, Rodon, Gonzalez, Holland, Shields Pen: Robertson, Jones, Jennings, Petricka, Putnam, Soto and Covey as the long man. Lineup: LF- Melky CF- May (RHP) Bourjos (LHP) RF- Asche (RHP) Avi (LHP) DH- Abreu (RHP) 1B- Delmonico (RHP) Abreu (LHP) 2B- Saladino (can backup Frazier at 3B ) 3B- Frazier SS- Anderson C - Narvaez/Soto This leaves one spot open on the bench so I'd go with Yolmer at this point. I think May makes the team thanks to Tilson's inability to stay healthy and Delmonico makes it due to a nice ST and his LHB. That's my take for now but could/probably will change as we move closer to the end of ST. Thank goodness baseball is back. Davidson is a roster lock.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 5, 2017 -> 11:38 AM) Bruce Levine‏ @MLBBruceLevine 9m9 minutes ago Rodon 33 pitch side session today . Two days off and than he will throw BP on Wednesday . Don Cooper said he has not thrown full out yet . Levine said on radio today that he may only throw like 180 innings this year. If they are terrible, there's no reason to run him into the ground on a 100 loss team.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) I didn't really want to derail the thread to play into the victim complexes at work here, but when it comes to what the leadership group does here, I do take offense to this. That whole idea is just silly. It is actually not very easy to actually get punished on Soxtalk. We pass out warnings like Tylenol instead of suspending people. We shutdown threads instead of suspending people. Most people who do get suspended are passing the same line multiple times over a period of time to get punished. It takes an insane amount of pushing it to get punished beyond a suspension. Heck over the time that Soxtalk has been around, we have probably let at least 10 people who have been banned for life come back to Soxtalk on a second or third chance. A few of them are still around today. NO one is getting punished for a throw away comment. That isn't reality, and the fact that people might actually believe garbage like that is true does a gigantic disservice to everyone who is involved in day to day management of this board. People put a lot of time into Soxtalk to keep it going. The fact that this message board is still around and thriving in 2017 when the message board has in general gone the way of the dinosaur is a testament to the work that everyone here does. A post like this is complete slap in the face to the entire staff of Soxtalk, and I don't take it kindly. If that is really how you view this board, I think you are in the wrong place. For my own sake, it was a throw away comment meant to be an absurdity used to demonstrate and contrast between possibility and probability based on history. I personally didn't anticipate someone's feelings actually being hurt by that statement, as I thought it was obvious enough where I didn't need to mark it in green text for the sarcasm-impaired. I definitely didn't think the second joke would lead to a real life personal attack. Obviously there are a couple of people who I need to be mindful of getting upset very easily around here, and will from now on. And as always, if you do really have a problem with something, instead of derailing the discussion into someone much worse than what the comment did, PM someone and talk to them about instead of doing exactly what you are getting upset about in the first place, and flushing a thread down the toilet even worse than was already done. No matter what the perspection of the initial post was, posts like this only further degrade the integrity of the discussion. I've disagree with you for pretty much this entire thread and on a lot of things pertaining to the rebuild. How on earth have we kept it civil?

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 10:26 PM) Jets just released Brandon Marshall... And Jeff Darlington is reporting that it could have something to do with Cutler going there: Jeff Darlington‏Verified account @JeffDarlington 2h2 hours ago It's an amicable parting between Marshall and the Jets. And keep one more little thought in mind in coming days. It rhymes with Cay Jutler.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 07:54 PM) It is about being realistic based on the history of the franchise, and not living in a fantasy world. I understand this point. My opinion changed yesterday though when Badler jumped on board and BA pumped the article 3 times and even mentioned White Sox as favorites. Badler doesn't get this s*** wrong.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) They still will have their pool. They just won't be able to spend more than $300k on any individual player. Exactly. They could theoretically sign 10 players for 300K each and then trade 1.75 million in slot money for a prospect.

Here's a refresher on the new International Bonus Rules if anyone needs them

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 09:19 AM) He sounds a lot more like Soler to me than Moncada. White Sox did bid $25 million on Soler.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 10:56 AM) I thought the Sox were changing their drafting philosphy? This is the philosophy that people began to hate recent of drafting athletic guys like Anderson, Hawkins, walker etc. Hawkins is a bad miss. Anderson is a good pick. The issue is that Reinsdorf was against spending money on amateur players and KW loved tools, athletes. Drafting tools athletes is fine but drafting ones that also don't cost a lot of money isn't a sound strategy. They need baseball players and Hostetler drafted many guys with more traditional baseball and on base skills. He is on the record saying that he wishes he would have taken more high school guys and he even said they are looking at high school players in this year's draft. It has to be both is what I'm saying. You always want guys that play premium positions because those guys can play other spots. Nick Hostetler comes from the Schuerholz school of scouting. I would expect a focus to be on power pitching and athletes. Dayton Moore subscribes to the same theory and Chris Getz worked under him for years.

The loss of Price could possibly push the Yankees or Astros to move harder for Quintana though. That would be the best outcome.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 08:59 AM) The Nationals are a big spending team out of the bunch that is over for this year. They know this is their last shot at prime players for two years (if cleared before 6/15) Ted Lerner doesn't even want to spend money on David Robertson. I doubt he gives the go ahead for more international signings. Ben Badler doesn't typically make mistakes. This is uncommon and unchartered territory for the Sox but when Baseball America pushes this hard and Ben Badler specifically, it's usually a good indicator.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 07:01 PM) Just because they aren't on the list for the biggest ones doesn't mean they don't have guys down the list already committed to. I know that. That's not what Badler is insinuating though.