Y2Jimmy0

16 year old HS 1B Triston Casas has "re-classified" and will be in the 2018 draft. Should be a top 5 pick. His 80 grade power comp'd to Bryce Harper at same age: http://www.baseballamerica.com/high-school...p6wtDprSdTL1.97

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 06:35 PM) I don't think anyone doubts the interest. The problem is that Beer certainly seems like the 1-1 pick (barring a sub-par season), the Sox don't seem like the worst team in baseball right now. Bad, yes. The worst? I wouldn't think so. Even without Q, there are worse teams. No Q puts them in top 3 pick territory. There are 2 HS guys that are very highly regarded as well.

QUOTE (flavum @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 05:32 PM) It's a nice thought that the 75th pick is eligible to be moved, but that seems too low to get excited about being part of a trade with Houston for Q. No it doesn't. It's a great 4th piece. I'd rather give Hostetler the 800k to move around than a flyer like Victor Diaz.

QUOTE (Username @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 05:11 PM) Phil Rodgers about to go on MLB network to discuss Q Phil said he talked to someone close to talks that thought they'd wait until trade deadline. Then he said he doesn't buy that. He said Sox and Astros have re-started talks. He specifically brought up Seth Beer. He said Sox want to be really bad and in a position for very high pick in 2018 and that Quintana being on the roster in the 1st half hurts those chances so he thinks they want to move him. He also mentioned that the Astros have the 75th pick that they can trade now.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 04:27 PM) What is the gist of the segment? I haven't heard it yet Callers can ask either of them anything they want. Host says "Can't do it" if they refuse to answer and caller gets a prize.

QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 03:48 PM) If they are leveraging Houston they should have used the Pirates whom they have actually had some reportedly serious discussions with. THey used Texas because Houston wouldn't want Q to end up in Texas. The problem is that Texas doesn't want him in Houston either so they probably killed this right away. raBBIt has speculated in the past that Hahn and Daniels are very good friends and it would make sense for Hahn to use Texas as leak in situations.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 03:41 PM) Here's the article that shot this down: http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/texas-rang...h-jose-quintana Grant even speculates that they are leveraging Houston. Sox don't usually do this though until they are far along in the process.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 01:19 PM) Not taking sides but didn't Trump run on these issues? Why is everybody so surprised there's a wall coming and a ban on immigrants? I thought he ran on these issues. And he won the election. So why the outrage now? America elected the guy on these issues. Well, less than 30% of the country voted for him and most of them don't know how to use the internet.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 12:15 PM) I was a little worried there that Lovie made him a personal priority and wasn't prying him from Indiana but man Lovie and staff have been almost perfect thus far recruiting wise. We've lost out on Thomas, Roberson and a few others but for the most part we've hit on all of our priorities. I heard Jeff Thomas couldn't get in there. Which is strange because he was eligible at Missouri

Malik Hooker probably still goes in the top 10-15 picks. He's a stud.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 11:12 AM) Lovie gets another commitment in Bennett Williams. A 3* CB from Cali. First recruit to get from Cali since 2003. Lovie and staff continue to do work on the recruiting trail in his first real recruiting class. It was a foregone conclusion but Ricky Smalling is a huge get. That kid is a stud. Too bad they couldn't put Jeff Thomas next to him.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) In January, despite a "flu riddled 0-6 game" and the "start the game on the bench game", Jimmy put up a PER > 30. Obviously a small sample size, but if you are a believer of PER, that is ridiculously good. Everyone always says "Jimmy has peaked" and has said so for a couple years now and he keeps getting better. If you trade him to Boston for picks that could end up #3 and #5 for all we know in two consecutive drafts and you get guys who bust or are even mediocre, you will look back going, oh my how did we screw up. Boston is going nowhere this year and in the off-season, when you know what those picks are, is the time to move him if you want to (and you need to be getting those picks plus Jaylen Brown and Crowder or Beverly (not to keep but to move elsewhere). Even then I think that deal is a win for Boston. Look at the freaking Harden trade (obviously Harden has blown up since then). In fact, I don't look at the Bulls much different as the Rockets under Harden. A year ago...Rockets .500, this year they are one of the best teams in the league (still no hope at winning a title), but they are a lot closer to a championship then Philly or Lakers, imo. Harden is much better then Butler too (so don't get me wrong). Ridiculous that the Thunder had all three players and what they could have been had they not overreacted / overplayed their hand with Harden. I completely disagree that the Rockets are closer to winning a title than Philadelphia is. This keeping Jimmy argument is insane because nobody has offered me any semblance of a plan in which they become title contenders with Jimmy Butler on the roster. Not on here, not on twitter, not anywhere. I've firmly laid out what I'd do and acknowledged the potentail downside. When I ask how they become contenders, I hear, "Draft better", "Sign better FA's". Jimmy is going to be 28 years old and they have no chance at winning with him the next 2 years. You would have to pay him huge $$ at age 30-31 and what would they have around him? Sorry. Trading Butler to Boston is the only way this thing gets turned around IMO.

http://www.csnchicago.com/nba-trade-rumors...rst-round-picks

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 11:25 AM) You have to look into the crystal ball and try to determine if there is a Lebron or Michael or someone of that ilk coming into the draft the next couple of years. That's when you tank and trade Jimmy. If it's just a bunch of meddling guys, you might as well hang on and try to score some FA. But Gar has to go. Pax has to go, and Fred is just not respected. He has to go as well. Gar isn't going to interest FAs since the money is about the same, and it's easier to attract players in Miami and LA in the winter. Chicago is not all that great of place to hang during basketball season. Dick, this upcoming draft is a monster one.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 11:23 AM) By the way, the Heat were a middling team (with a superstar) when they landed LBJ & Bosh and went on to play in a bunch of championship games (and win some rings). Prior to that, the Heat were a middling team with a young Dwade superstar, when they landed Shaq and won a title. I also gave the example of Kobe and the Lakers prior to getting Pau and how they went from a middling team back to a title contender like that. The Celtics were a middling to poor team (with a star in Paul Pierce) before getting an aging Allen / Garnett where they went on to win a title. Not many examples of teams who got to where they were by tanking / winning the lottery (and getting to the title). In fact, the Warriors are the only example of that (since the Cavs only got back after they "signed" LBJ). I suppose I should also count the Spurs, albeit, they were a great team, whose top player got hurt and they thus bombed and ended up winning the lotto and getting Duncan. The Thunder got damn close. Durant, Westbrook, Harden are pretty great top 5 picks.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) The problem is...you look at the Cavs...they got Lebron...they didn't do anything else all that smart...they just got lucky enough to get Lebron. Warriors did a lot more and I'll give them credit cause they didn't have some generational talent fall into their laps at the #1 pick...they drafted well (near the top of the draft, but well). My point is, in the NBA, a star driven league, only a few teams are going to win...it is a dynasty league like no other sport (still). So few teams have won titles over the last 20 years in that sport and it is because of how superstar driven it is. It is hard to find 1 superstar, let alone 2 or three. The Lakers have had quite a few top picks and right now they don't have on player who looks like he could develop into a guy even remotely close to what Jimmy Butler is. The Sixers have made a ton of lottery picks and only Embiid looks like he has a shot at being in the echelon of Butler (and Embiid has serious injury issues). In fact, Okafor, the #2 pick (and a guy everyone was talking about the whole college season) is sitting on the freaking bench barely playing (while they hope to trade him...Lakers #1 overall pick, Russell is also getting ripped to shreds by LA media / fans). You got to draft well, but you don't necessarily need to be at the top. Look at all the championships Pat Riley won in Miami...yes they drafted Wade (and they didn't tank to get him) but almost everything else was done largely via free agency (and I agree that dynamic has changed, but I think it is will more morph into trades). I just do not support tanking. I am okay with rebuilding if that is what we see and the front office legitimately looks and says, we can't come up with any plausible scenario to build around Butler....that said, they haven't even freaking tried. They weren't sure what they were going to do this past off-season and this is the first year where we have seen Jimmy as the #1 option on our team (no more Rose) and he's emerged into a top 10 player. Shouldn't they at least "try" for a year or two while we have him under a bargain contract before dealing him (unless we get a blown away offer?). I agree here. Jimmy Butler is a top 15 player in the league. I don't see a path towards getting another one though is my point. Selling out right now to get Markelle Fulz of Washington or one of these other guys in the top 3 in addition to your own top 10 pick could do that. It could blow up and they could suck for a long time. The thing is though, they already suck now. If they made this deal with Boston (who knows if it's even been offered?) they'd basically have 4 lottery picks over the next 2 seasons, 2 of which probably top 5, gives you the chance at 1-2 of those dynasty type players. There is no other path towards acquiring a guy like that to place next to Jimmy Butler.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 11:12 AM) Lovie gets another commitment in Bennett Williams. A 3* CB from Cali. First recruit to get from Cali since 2003. Lovie and staff continue to do work on the recruiting trail in his first real recruiting class. Lovie will be fine. They'll never be Ohio State or Michigan but there's no reason they can't be Iowa.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) I'm not speaking for Jenks, but I view sports as entertainment...so while championships are nice and obviously the ultimate goal, what I want is a team that is entertaining and can contend. I like being in the post-season and having a chance and at least being a piece away. Now I'm not saying this team is overly entertaining, cause they aren't, nor am I saying they are a piece away, cause they aren't (unless that piece would be King James or some other super elite player). But in general, I'd call what the Bulls did for the last ten years, largely successful and I can think back on many entertaining moments watching the Bulls recent runs (last year / this year...not so much, but even then I remember how bad it was post Jordan and even after all that bottoming out, the only time we were close to winning a title is when we got lucky with Rose coming). When I contrast that to the White Sox and Bears and I largely don't have many nice things to say or positive sports memories looking back over the last 5 years. In fact, last time I had any real entertainment was with the Bears during the Lovie era and in all honesty, the Sox was the Ozzie era (outside of last years hot start and year 1 of Ventura being a pleasant surprise). In the other sports, I agree with you. In the NBA, it's much different. The White Sox and Bears in a much better position to win a championship than the Bulls are because of the nature of their sports. If i'm holding them to my "make the best decisions to eventually win a championship" viewpoint, then I can't settle for being a consistent playoff team. In the NFL and MLB there are many factors and teams can make shrewd decisions and compete with rest of the league almost instantly. In the NBA, there are like 3-4 title contenders. The worst place to be is where the Bulls are. Everyone made fun of the 76ers but any smart Bulls fan would trade places with them in a second right now.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 10:40 AM) I'm not but i'm also realistic. How many lottery picks pan out? How many become all-stars? How many become starters in the all-star game? History has proven that the "hauls" you get for superstar players rarely pan out. Denver traded Carmelo for a king's ransom according to all the experts and what have they gotten out of it? Minnesota received a haul for Garnett, including two first round picks, and did what with it? Granted you have the Kahn effect, but drafting Flynn and Rubio at 5 and 6 just proves top 10 picks don't always become good players. Butler gives you a name. Butler gives you some credibility with FA's. He's on a cheap deal. If anything the best play is to give it a go next year without the likes of Rondo and maybe you get lucky and Wade can convince someone like Chris Paul to come and play. The Bulls would have to overpay him, but Wade/Butler/Paul gives you a good enough 3 to seriously compete for a Finals spot. If Paul/Wade prove to be too old/ineffective, trade everyone at that point. You've got 3 full seasons after this one with Butler. No pressure to trade him right away. So the plan for next year is to return Wade and Butler and pray that someone comes to play with Wade in Chicago on a 1 year deal? Is Hoiberg coaching? Is Forman the GM? I know I'm being difficult but I truly believe blowing this thing to smithereens is the only play here unless it truly is about selling bobble heads and concessions again and in that case, f*** it. Go get Carmelo, sell out the UC and bow out in the 2nd round of the playoffs while pushing back the future another 3-4 years.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 10:40 AM) I'm not but i'm also realistic. How many lottery picks pan out? How many become all-stars? How many become starters in the all-star game? History has proven that the "hauls" you get for superstar players rarely pan out. Denver traded Carmelo for a king's ransom according to all the experts and what have they gotten out of it? Minnesota received a haul for Garnett, including two first round picks, and did what with it? Granted you have the Kahn effect, but drafting Flynn and Rubio at 5 and 6 just proves top 10 picks don't always become good players. Butler gives you a name. Butler gives you some credibility with FA's. He's on a cheap deal. If anything the best play is to give it a go next year without the likes of Rondo and maybe you get lucky and Wade can convince someone like Chris Paul to come and play. The Bulls would have to overpay him, but Wade/Butler/Paul gives you a good enough 3 to seriously compete for a Finals spot. If Paul/Wade prove to be too old/ineffective, trade everyone at that point. You've got 3 full seasons after this one with Butler. No pressure to trade him right away. I think if you get 2 lottery picks in this upcoming draft, you have a much better chance of future success than building a team around Jimmy Butler. Nets pick should be top 3. Go look at that list. Some game-changing PGs at the top. I'll take my chances.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 10:30 AM) I think the Sox should get somewhere between what Sale and Eaton returned, and neither Martes or Tucker are anywhere near the prospect Moncada is Kopech is roughly equal to the prospect value of Martes, possibly slightly more valuable at this point Moncada + Kopech > Martes + Tucker considerably. That means a third piece would have to be a significant prospect along the lines of Reed or Perez A 4th piece could be a lower level flyer Martes + Tucker + Reed/Perez + lower level flyer starts to move towards a deal So after all that you agree with what I posted initially. Martes + Tucker + 3rd piece + 75th pick.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 09:47 AM) Even if we ignore the Bulls' history in landing FAs, this still doesn't deal with that huge change in the CBA from this year. Are you ok adding players in FA if anyone at Cousins's level and above never leaves their team again because they opened up the floodgates for those top players? This is the point I've been trying to make. Guys that we could target years out will not be hitting free agency anymore. When a guy like DeMarcus Cousins would rather take $207 million to stay in Sacramento, I think that's a solid indicator of things to come.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 09:48 AM) Pretty sure Celtics can't trade their pick because that would be three straight seasons of trading their 1st round pick Celtics had their own first last year and used it on Zizic. Bulls would need to acquire Celtics 2017 1st round pick. Then they flop that pick with Brooklyn for Brooklyn's 1st after the lottery is announced. Bulls would end up with their own pick and Brooklyn's pick. Brooklyn would get Boston's 1st. Then the Bulls would also acquire Brooklyn's 2018 1st that Boston currently owns.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 09:43 AM) Totally agree. I'd rather get pick 14 with Jimmy on the team than draft 6-7 without Jimmy. The better avenue for the Bulls is to add players in FA, not the draft. Jenks, you are the exact fan I was talking about man. You really are content being the 6th seed in the East, huh? That's your prerogative but as a sports fan, I want my team to do everything they can to win championships. This plan is not that.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 08:46 AM) I'm not happy to be a playoff team, but it's a lot harder to get the three All-Stars you need to compete for a title starting with 0 instead of with 1. That's fair and I understand your point. I disagree though. With the new CBA, young stars (Cousins) and potential guys (Davis, Jabari Parker, etc) will just stay with their teams because of the gobs of money that they can be offered. Jimmy keeps you competitive which never allows to cash in at the top of the lottery. If you don't have high draft picks, and can't sign really good free agents, I ask you again, How do they ever build a championship team around Jimmy Butler?