Chicago White Sox

Corresponding roster move coming after the All Star break. Who takes his place? Saladino? I don't think Leury has started his rehab assignment yet.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 06:43 AM) Yes, because money is no object to Joe Ricketts and Co., yuge investment in building baseball's version of Disneyworld on the North side, Epstein's proven history of being a big spender, cub fans clamoring for a 're-peat". Add is Lester and Arrieta's inconsistency and you can almost bet the cubs will spend big on pitching if the opportunity presents and make a trade or two...at least one big name starter...perhaps Verlander, Sonny Gray or Archer. Money is no object to the Ricketts? Didn't they just recently sell equity in the team to help with their debt load? The Cubs may have some money to spend, but let's not act like they're suddenly the Dodgers or Yankees.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 06:26 AM) The Tigers think they can find some team willing to take Verlander's contract, just like the Padres found some team willing to take Shields' contract. You are starting to lose it. The Padres had to eat over half of his contract to move Shields. The Sox only took on $27M for 2 1/2 years of control. That's about how much Verlander makes in one season. And the Tigers aren't going to eat any money while also expecting quality prospects in return. The situations aren't even remotely comparable.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 06:57 AM) But I understand the poster's issue. Unfortunately the white Sox farm and ML roster was so thin position wise, they had to trade Sale for prospects as you mention. But if they had some solid young talent in AA or AAA, then they could have looked for ML ready talent to supplement it w a Sale trade. I agree that Betts may have been a stretch. I also think Moncada, Bradley and Benintendi all had pros and cons at the time of the trade. Hahn went with what he thought was the best if indeed all 3 were in the mix. Bradley is having a very good year and Benintendi is having a very good rookie season. Moncada may have the higher ceiilng but he is still developing at AAA while working on his "cons". Time will tell l Why are we doing a hypothetical though? We were rebuilding and that's how the trade should be evaluated. And Bradley & Benintendi were likely off the table because they fit specific holes on a club trying to compete. With Devers as the eventual successor at 3B and other options already in place, Moncada was the most expendable of the three. He also has by far the biggest ceiling and for a team starting a rebuild that can give multiple years of development time at the major league level, Yoan made the most sense for us as well. I can understand preferring Benintendi if you want a safer player, but I can not understand the Bradley infatuation given his 4 years of control.

QUOTE (Soha @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 06:38 AM) They got 2 prospects with superstar potential back for Chris Sale. I think that's about all you're going to get for anyone you trade. But yeah, the big risk is on the Sox side. If either of these prospects don't continue to develop as they have so far, the trade turns in to a big loss. That's what happens when you trade a star. And if Quintana does get moved - it will be for significantly less than Chris Sale brought back. Because he's just not as good as Chris Sale is. I think we'd be lucky to get one piece that is in the Kopech/Moncada range, plus a few lottery tickets after that. For the Sox to breakeven on the Chris Sale trade, only one of Moncada or Kopech has to turn into a star. If both reach their ceilings, you're talking about one of the biggest returns in baseball history. Anything in between is a win for us. As for Quintana, I think you're selling him short. No one is giving up a Moncada piece because he was basically in a class of his own. But a headliner in the 10 to 20 range is certainly possible along with a secondary piece in the 40 to 60 range and a lesser piece or two. Quintana is not as good as Sale and should not be worth as much, but this deadline is setting up nicely for a team to pay fair value for him. I fully expect a trade a little bit better than the Eaton trade, but with a positional guy as the primary headliner.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 06:24 AM) I would have never traded Sale and think the return they got for him was abysmal so I expect a trade of Quintana and the return to be abysmal as well. I realize Moncada was/is a top 5 prospect but if the best pitcher in baseball, with a team friendly contract, can't get you an already established MLB outfielder like a Betts or Bradley, or even a Bennitendi then you failed in the trade and I expect the haul for Quintana to be disappointing as well. Why would a team acquiring Sale want to trade a proven OF like Bette or Bradley? That completely defeats the purpose of acquiring Chris in the first place. And honestly, Betts is probably considered a more valuable trade piece by most baseball enthusiasts in the first place. Furthermore, why would we want to trade Sale for a guy with only 4 years of control when we were just starting our rebuild? How does that lead to sustainable success? You can feel the package is light, but we got back arguably the highest upside positional & pitching prospects in the minors. We have control over them for 6+ years when they finally reach the majors, which obviously better aligns with our projected competitive window. I think your expectations were simply unrealistic from the get go and that you weren't approaching this trade from a rebuilding perspective.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 09:22 PM) the Sox can get multiple years of value by trading him; 1 year (maybe 2020) by keeping him. Gotta trade him. This. Keeping him in hopes of us being able to compete in 2020 and then losing him in free agency the next year is the definition of insanity. Plain and simple, Quintana doesn't fit our competitive window and thefore needs to be moved.

QUOTE (Soha @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 08:04 PM) Quintana is the one piece I will be fine with either way - keep or trade. I see benefits both ways. To me, that the Sox signed Luis Robert takes a lot of pressure off of moving Quintana. Essentially the type of prospect I was hoping to get back for Q, they already signed. Also what makes it easier is that the expected return of guys besides Quintana looks like it might be far greater than we were expecting say 3 months ago. Robertson has been fantastic. Swarzak has been fantastic. Melky and Frazier might bring something. Maybe even Kahnle. We should have a flippin' loaded system by August 1st, with or without a Quintana trade. And if they do end up keeping Quintana, he could be our #1 or #2 when we hope to contend 2-4 years from now. The only real negative to keeping Q is that he might drops us down a few slots in the draft. And we did see how 1 spot seemed to screw the Sox in this past draft. Quintana has three years of control, holding onto him is insanity.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 02:39 PM) Quintana and Robertson for Robles, Soto, Kieboom, and Fedde. Who says no? The Nationals. That's basically their whole system.

Does someone with access mind summarizing?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) I understand what your point is here, but just in the last 6 months or so, our perspective on so many of these guys' perceived value has been altered. That will certainly happen AFTER many of these guys have been traded to us as well. I've just learned to not overreact as much to any short-term success or struggles of any of these guys. Oh I 100% agree with you. Prospect rankings are fluid and value should always be forward looking. If you think someone is going to be a stud, you shouldn't worry to much about his current ranking. I wanted Kyle Tucker as a headliner all offseason despite being ranked in the 30s/40s because I felt he would have a breakout year in 2017. Many other posters here wanted Franklin Perez as a key piece for the very same reasons. I just don't think a 19 year old pitcher in A ball who has yet to really dominate for any period of time can be the the headliner no matter how good his arm is. Way too much risk/projection for an asset as valuable as Quintana. And unfortunately, Pint & Rodgers are really the only elite talents in their system at this point. So for me, it's Rodgers or bust with the Rockies. If we can't land a true blue chipper and want to go the depth route, there are better farm systems we can target IMO.

Rodgers or bust if the Rockies want Quintana. Pint is not nearly good enough to be the headliner at this point.

Packages I would take for Quintana: HOU: Tucker, Whitley, Alvarez NYY: Frazier, Adams, Andujar, Abreu MIL: Brinson, Ortiz, Diaz CHC: Jimenez, Cease, Candelario, Perlaza ATL: Acuna, Anderson, Riley Any of these riduculous? Yankees give up four top 10 guys, but Frazier is a cut below those other OFs based on the most recent mid-year prospect rankings. And it would clear three spots from their 40 man roster crunch.

Tim!!!

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 10:57 PM) Stop putting a middle infielder in the outfield Why did they pull Willy in the first place?

Motherf***er, Quintana can't catch a f***ing break.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 10:30 PM) Dedelow - 2/4, 4th HR. Hitting over .300 He's more interesting than your typical 9th/10th round senior signing.

QUOTE (Soha @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 10:39 PM) I agree Frazier is probably expendable to them. I don't want him as a headliner for Q though. I'd rather the Sox target guys like Eloy or Brinson to headline a deal. Frazier's stock is down a bit, but I still really like him. Would need better 2nd & 3rd pieces if he were the headliner.

I love me some Abreu.

A Frazier bomb would be nice right about now.

Awesome job by Swarzak!!

HUGE f***ing K right there by Swarzak!

Honestly, he just ran out of gas there at the end. The scouts were probably impressed with the performance all things considered. I just hope he can get out of this without any more runs charged to him.

f*** f*** f***!

Do not even think of pulling him! If they bring a reliever in, you know those runners are scoring!