Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 10:58 PM) Jimenez is legit. I'd be stoked to get him. Cease on the other hand is a question mark. Great stuff (throws 100+, great breaking ball, etc), but as fathom pointed out earlier, scouts have questioned if he's a starter long term. Plus, he's had TJS before. He's a good second piece, but risky. Yeah, I'm not a huge Cease fan, but I'll take him as the 2nd piece if Jimenez is the headliner.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 10:40 PM) Wetbutt23 and @Danb2310 would conceivably be the same source Danb2310 said his source is themark2306, so I think Dan is actually katyperrysbootyhole.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 10:34 PM) Watch the write-ups then of Reinsdorf's so-called "legacy" in a few years when his tenure as owner of both teams has ended. The narrative has already begun in several fluff pieces: Reinsdorf being described as "so awesome" for the city of Chicago because he brought "seven" championships to the city. He brought six Bulls trophies along with the lonely ONE and only ONE championship achieved on the South Side over his nearly 40 years at the helm there. Reinsdorf somehow being made a hero in this city because he's compared to the losing likes of the Tribune Company, the McCaskey's, and Bill Wirtz. Can you imagine any faint praise greater than this!! We ought to watch out for the favorable journalistic license already underway to conflate this guy's record during his near 40 year record on the South Side with that with which Michael Jordan allowed him to achieve with the Bulls. Make no mistake: Reinsdorf's last chance for salvaging his legacy is tied to this rebuild. If under Reinsdorf's waning days of ownership, Hahn can manage to acquire and develop the kind of players that will lead to a level of achievement manifesting itself in the organization's FIRST-EVER display of sustainable postseason play, then MAYBE Reinsdorf's legacy will withstand historical scrutiny. Otherwise, he'll be lumped in with the Allyns and the rest with the rest of the organization's sad record of futility. What the f*** does this have to do with anything?

Let's say we get Jimenez for Quintana and then draft Joe Gray Jr in the 2018 draft: 1B: Sheets 2B: Moncada SS: Anderson 3B: Burger LF: Jimenez CF: Gray RF: Robert DH: Abreu C: Collins Add a big time free agent wherever you are the weakest and you could have one hell of a lineup in a few years.

QUOTE (OklahomaBrave @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 09:25 PM) Braves fan here, been following Quintana trade possibilities for awhile. I got the notification from Rosenthal as well. Saw the piece about an unexpected trade looming. Didn't see team or players named. Of course it was deleted instantly. Yeah buddy! Thanks for sharing!

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 09:01 PM) Rosenthal followers, I guess. didn't know how to phrase it but what I just wrote was probably better lol Ok thanks. Where did you read this?

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 08:58 PM) Take this with a grain of salt, but a bunch of MLB fans are claiming that Rosenthal tweeted and then quickly deleted something about progress being made on Quintana to the Cubs. edit: and it's not a fake account or anything, they subscribe for notifications when the real Rosenthal tweets and all claim to have gotten this notification MLB fans?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 08:16 PM) Stroman or M. Fulmer I don't think either of those guys is moved. Doing so would signal a full-fledged rebuild and I don't see either team doing that.

QUOTE (whitesoxwinner @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 07:31 PM) Someone said on twitter that the Cubs were engaged in deep trade talks last night with athletics and nationals Nationals? Someone was clearly trolling.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 07:15 PM) No way they give up Eloy and Schwarber I thought the Babe Schwarber was a dead giveaway, but I'm on the same page with you. I'm not the biggest Candelario fan, but it would be hard to pass on Jimenez if the secondary pieces are decent at all.

And I'm obviously joking about Schwarber's inclusion, but throw in Candelaeio instead and why not?

Quintana for Jimenez, Cease, & Babe Schwarber. Who says no?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 06:56 PM) Cubs #1 prospect Eloy Jimenez also absent from the lineup today. No news on that one either. His profile on milb.com says he's on the temporary inactive. He didn't play yesterday either I believe.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 04:00 PM) There is zero chance the Sox would turn down a deal involving McMahon and Rodgers form Colorado. Rodgers would be hard to turn down, but I think McMahon is incredibly overrated and makes a terrible second piece.

QUOTE (whitesoxwinner @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 03:32 PM) Who says no or do they both do it: White Sox: Quintana Yankees: Frazier, Andujar, Fowler White Sox: Quintana Braves: Acuna, Soroka, Gohara +lotto White Sox: Quintana Brewers: Brinson, Dubon, Phillips +lotto White Sox: Quintana Rockies: Rodgers, McMahon, Lambert I'd say none of those trades work. Braves definitely say no. Yankees say no simply to avoid giving up two OFs. Sox say no to Brewers & Rockies because of the secondary pieces.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 02:01 PM) I don't think it's possible and really have had a hard time dating back to June and the whole Robert Watch shindig... these next 2+ weeks are going to be brutal. Hopefully there's a flurry. It will be a lot easier when a Quintana trade does down. The rest of of the trades should be interesting, but Q and to a lesser extent Robertson are the only ones I'm anxious about. Really got to get these two right.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:37 PM) Also, I am going to be very interested to see who in Charlotte is mirroring Q. It almost has to be either Giolito or Lopez. Do we know who it should be if they kept the rotation intact?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:32 PM) 4 days: 77 starts, 3.77 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, 102 OPS+ against 5 days: 67 starts, 3.26 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, 99 OPS+ against 6+ days: 23 starts, 3.61 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 94 OPS+ against So very similar results on 6+ days to the standard 4 days. Thanks for posting! I guess that solves my concerns.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) Why wouldn't it be significant? If you are saying it's a problem, his actual results would seem a pretty good indicator rather than your recollection , and for his career, he has been just about the same, a slightly better ERA with 6 or more days rest (23 starts), than 4 days rest which would be the typical amount. I meant because of sample size, but apparently I underestimated how frequently this has happened.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:17 PM) Has Q been bad on extended rest? Not sure, but the sample of his starts on 6 or 7 days rest would probably not be statistically significant. I'm just speculating on what I can recall historically with White Sox pitchers and the general routine nature of starting pitchers.

IMO, it really seems like the Sox are trying to move Quintana before his next start. The last thing you want is for Quintana to throw a stinker before now and the deadline and give a potential buyer cold feet. And starting Quintana on seven days rest, based on how I recall Sox starters performing on extended rest, seems like a recipe for disaster. If I planned on negotiations going closer to the deadline, I would no doubt start Q on Friday. I just don't see how what his date last scheduled date before the deadline really matters. Maximizing our return for Quintana should be only priority right now.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 11:47 AM) It wouldn't be fair to him or anyone to be on pace for the 30th or 31st. Sunday is the perfect day to schedule him at this point. Why isn't it fair? I'm not sure I get your angle here.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 11:38 AM) Not really. The schedule was set up that it didn't make sense to have him scheduled on the 30th or 31st, when it's crunch time. He's pitching on seven days rest now. I think a potentially rusty start is a far bigger risk than him pitching a day or two before the deadline.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 07:54 AM) I'll probably get mocked for this, but I don't like that Brinson is 23, with the clock running, and has had a May-esque cup of coffee in MLB. I know 35 PAs are stupid, but it just bugs me. Didn't like it with Moncada, Giolito or Lopez either. Give me Albies and some other Braves (Gohara and Pache would receive no complaints here). 20 years old in AAA, plus defender, low K rate, yes please. Although, I will ask, how's Brinson's D? All MLB says is that his speed can compensate for shaky reads and jumps, which sounds iffy. I'm sorry, but overreacting to 35 plate appearances is f***ing stupid. Most young guys struggle when they come and to expect instant results is ridiculous. And the 23 years old stuff is utter nonsense. You'd rather have Ozzies Albies and his very limited power potential over Bronson simply because of age? Bronson's ceiling is significantly higher and for a team not planning on being competitive over the next two seasons we should no doubt gamble on Bronson's upside rather than Ozzie's floor if we have the choice. And I say this as someone who likes Albies.