Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 15, 2017 -> 07:03 PM) That's the beauty of having a guy like Saladino is his versatility. He can man second until Moncada is ready. Not like Saladino will inhibit Moncada's eventual call up. That's what I would do. Give him two months at 2B and then reevaluate. Frazier should not be on this team come August, so worst case scenario you rotate Saladino around the field for 1 or 2 months until 3B opens up.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 15, 2017 -> 05:43 PM) If he hits 11 HR in 2/3 of a season that's one impressive power surge for him. He hit 8 HRs in about 1/2 a season last year, so I'm not sure why 11 in 2/3 of a season would be much of a power surge.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 15, 2017 -> 03:22 PM) I have really developed a love of the Braves position player prospects and the idea of getting two, perhaps even three, of them is something that (I hope) will take at least the inclusion of Meadows from the Pirates or Torres from the Yankees to beat. Which prospects are you referring to? I'm assuming Albies & Acura, but who else?

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 11:20 PM) The Switch looks like a complete joke. It's basically an Nvidia tablet for $100 more, with worse controllers and a non-replaceable battery. I have a feeling this might be the final nail in Nintendo's coffin. Totally disagree with you on the technology. Everything I've read is that this is a pretty sophisticated piece of equipment. I'm actually super excited about the hardware itself based on the initial impressions this week. It's everything else that Nintendo typically does that could cause this system to flop.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 11:48 AM) .000/.000/.000 I was leaning the non-tender way too, but with Coats gone I just don't know. Right now, Melky & Tilson (if healthy) are the only guarantees. Engel & May probably need more time in AAA regardless of how they look in spring training. Willy Garcia sucks so I'd be shocked if he made the team. That leaves two available spots between Liriano, Asche, & Avi Garcia. My guess is that Liriano & Avi win those spots. I can't think of anyone else that I'm missing. Leury Garcia could be in the OF mix as well, but I think he only makes the team as a super-sub type (and theoretical 5th OF). At this point, I think it's more and more likely that Avi Garcia is on our 25 man roster come opending day.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 04:57 PM) Other than Fisher/Call most likely being fourth OFers on a playoff roster, we're looking pretty good. Obviously, we've got the draft, more trades, FA's, international players, etc., to address those holes, too. Jones, Frazier, Jennings and Robertson all have varying degrees of value and can hopefully put up solid numbers in the first half. How old would Donaldson be again upon signing a multi-year deal? Donaldson would be 33 I believe, so obviously older than you'd ideally like. But he's so damn good right now that I'd expect him to remain a very good player throughout his mid 30s. And I think it's way too early to write off Fisher or Call as 4th OFs. Fisher's bat could very much play in LF and it remains to be seen if Call is given a chance to stick in CF. 2017 will be a big year for both of them as they'll finally start facing some more advanced pitching.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 04:36 PM) Besides Arrietta and maybe Duffy, who are the top of the rotation free agent starters available next year? Looks like a bunch of junk to me. I know Tanaka & Cueto can opt out of their contracts and they would be foolish not to if they have strong seasons next year.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 12:40 PM) That is the package I have been touting for awhile as making sense for each team. Astros get to keep Musgrove and only move prospects If you believe Reed is a legit bounce-back candidate, this trade sets up our lineup nicely. 1B: Reed 2B: Moncada SS: Anderson 3B: Donaldson (more realistic than Machado) LF: Fisher/Call CF: Basabe/Call RF: Tucker DH: Abreu C: Collins Even with the addition of a guy like Donaldson, we'd still have plenty of money to work with to plug other holes, most likely in the OF or at DH. And we'd add two more promising young starters to an organization that already includes Rodon, Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer, Kopech, Adams, Stephens, Hansen, & Dunning. Throw in Burdi and that's a f***ton of pitching talent.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 09:29 AM) This game just looks incredible Zelda and Mario both look incredible and appear to be catering to the hardcore fans. I wouldn't be surprised if these games end up being the best entries in their respective series. Little worried about the launch window lineup though. Zelda is a legit killer app and should consume a ton of time, but there isn't really much after that. I'm not sure what to make of 1, 2 Switch...would have made a lot more sense as a free pack in. Just doesn't seem like a game people will go out and buy on their own, not with a $50 price tag. And after that, you basically have Mario Kart Deluxe & Arms in April & May most likely. I'm guessing they have more games planned for summer, fall, & holiday, but those first few months will be pretty weak IMO.

I still think the Astros eventually bite. Martes, Tucker, Reed, & Perez would be a nice haul IMO.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 09:18 PM) There isn't going to be be a better market for Quintana. You can't get better than being literally the only TOR pitcher available. The market may be scarce again someday, but Quintana will have less control then, and he can't realistically pitch better than he has been pitching. It's certainly possible for someone to pay more later, but it's not likely. That doesn't mean take a BS offer, but there is definitely real motivation to get the deal done this offseason if at all possible. 100% agree with this.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 08:57 PM) 8 PM Pacific time is some bulls*** Bad time but should be worth it.

The Switch event tonight could be epic if some of the rumors are true.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 07:06 PM) It'd actually a decent comparison if you make that comparison at the same age and weight. Josh Bell is actually worse in the outfield and cannot play first base. Neither one are major league level players. Bell is Tank II. No thanks. Lol...sure, they are the same if you completely ignore their offensive abilities.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 04:14 PM) This is because he really doesn't need to trade him. He will still be under a team friendly contract when this team is good again, if the plan works. None of these primary players are more than 2 years away. RH/KW traded away the most valuable (and troublesome) pieces to rebuild quickly with near MLB talent. Gotta disagree here. Wasting 2 or 3 years of Quintana's value in hopes he can anchor a competitive team for one or two years (best case scenario) makes no sense IMO. His production over the next two years is 100% useless to us, but it's obviously very valuable to other clubs planning to compete. There is a huge opportunity cost to holding him that you're not acknowledging. We can trade him for a group of prospects that fit much better into our competitive window. That makes much more sense than trying to get one or two years out of Quintana while the team is actually good and then losing him for nothing. Also, we only have a handful of bats in the system that we can project as above average major league regulars. It's going to be difficult to find the talent needed to fill those holes without dealing Quintana. He's the one guy we have left that can potentially bring in an elite positional prospect in addition to a couple quality secondary pieces. We still have a long ways to go in our rebuild before we should feel even the least bit optimistic that we can be competive by 2019 or 2020. I strong Quintana return with multiple near major league pieces would go a long way towards that.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) If I could put Hahn's hat on I would take the following options, if they would be offered for Q, in this order: 1. Astros: Bregman , (and I might include another player from the Sox to get Breg, like Frazier) 2. Yankees : Frazier, Torres (don't need Diaz) (I would also trade Frazier to them if they wanted him for another prospect) 3. Pirates: Meadows, Keller (I'd throw in Avi Garcia, lol,) Please no Josh "Tank II" Bell. 4. If none of the above (which increasingly apapears to be the case) wait to trade Quintana for another day. In the meantime, I would try to reacquire Tray Thompson from the Dodgers. Edited to add: Frazier and/or Melky might be useful for the Yankees or one of the other teams, a and might possibly put one of these deals over the top. Did you just compare Josh Bell to Dayan Viciedo? Holy f*** is that a terrible comparison.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 07:03 AM) I can respect that, the third package to me is the right amount of both upside and depth. I'll be honest, I don't know much about Hearn, but to me Newman is a far better prospect than Hayes and Hearn doesn't change the value equation enough to make up for that difference. Having said that, I'd still do that third deal. Hell, I'd do Meadows/Keller/Craig, and Hayes is a better prospect so no complaining there. I also don't think it's an unreasonable offer. Doesn't come close to gutting their system. And gives them an opportunity to go for it this year and potentially pivot at the deadline and deal McCutchen and/or Cole. They may miss Meadows if that happens, but I'm sure they can land a near major league ready OF prospect by cashing in those chips (assuming some rebound by McCutchen).

QUOTE (beautox @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 06:32 AM) When all the smokes clears and if you were Rick Hahn and these were the packages presented to you what would you choose and why. Meadows/Glasnow/lotto ticket Meadows/Keller/Newman Meadows/Keller/Hayes/Hearn Easily Meadows/Keller/Newman IMO. I think that last package is far away the weakest.

I'll give Greg credit, dude trolls 24/7 year after year. He may very well be the GOAT troll.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 11:23 PM) So be it, but the love of Glasnow is not universal. And you do have to watch some of these prospects rankings...a lot of the services just take their information from other evaulators. Not saying it's the case with Glasnow. And I believe BA put Keller ahead of Glasnow anyway. I wouldn't mind a quantity trade for Q - 3 in the 40-70 range plus 3 more (the ascending Keller, Newman, Bell plus 3 more, e.g.)....I just don't see anyone that we can get who is really elite so I'll take some volume to minimize the risk. QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 11:29 PM) You dont have to be Professor Baseball to have major concerns about a pitcher who in five years of pro instruction has barely gained any control of his pitches. I've already said Glasnow has his warts, but saying his stuff isn't good (like Jerksticks did) is ridiculous.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 10:59 PM) Maybe he watches his starts too. Not just a few K highlights. You're right bro, I'm sure the scouts who have been raving about his stuff for years only watch the highlights. Same goes for the guys at Baseball America, mlbpipeline, etc. who follow prospects for a living and consider him a consensus top 15 prospect. Or the three GMs in a recent survey of 19 who voted him as the best pitching prospect in the game. But hey, you don't like the guy so whatever fits the narrative I guess.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 10:21 PM) Probably mentioned above, but Cameron in chat said today that Glasnow is insufficient as a Q centerpiece: stuff not that good and major control problems. I think his opinion on Glasnow's stuff would put him in the minority.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) What about Frazier? I know there's only one more year on his contract but that Atlanta lineup, despite having Freeman, still feels a little light on power unless Swason cranks 20+ HR. Combine that with what seems like a glaring weakness at 3rd could there be mutual interest in packaging Frazier? Good clubhouse guy, solid defender, masher of baseballs...makes sense if you ask me. Atlanta trading for a rental doesn't make a lick of sense to me, but then again they traded for Jaime Garcia.

I would be very hesitant dealing with the Braves. First off, I don't get why they'd cash in prospects for a TOR starter right now unless they're trading guys they don't really believe in. The other problem is outside of Swanson & Albies, most of their attractive prospects are either pitchers (which we don't need) or positional guys years aways from contributing. Just doesn't make sense given our needs and timeline IMO.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 07:38 PM) Take a look at the actual players instead of the prospect # in front of their name. Obviously both Bell and Newman have value and aren't bad by any means, but both deserve some scrutiny if we are trading a top SP for them. Do you really want the badly needed hitting prospects we get back for Q to possibly be a 2B and 1B that might not be able to hit 25 hr's between them? I'm all for the depth and we obviously need it, but no position value and no potential impact bat in return would worry me. It's not a deal anyone should cry over, but wanting a potential impact bat for Q shouldn't be unreasonable. And I don't believe the Pirates can offer that if Meadows isn't involved. There's nothing wrong with wanting a potential impact bat for Quintana. I want Meadows just as badly as everybody else and can acknowledge he's far and away the best prospect in Pittsburgh's system. He's no doubt the ideal headliner. But that doesn't diminish the fact that Glasnow, Bell, Keller, & Newman are excellent prospects and considered amongst the top 50 in the game by most publications. They each have their own flaws/weaknesses (like most prospects do), but let's not act like they're at the Basabe & Dunning level. Every single one of them would make a terrific secondary piece and an argument could be made for Glasnow and/or Bell being headliners depending on how positively you view them. Personally, I'd hold my ground a while longer for Meadows and eventually push for a depth trade if they don't give in. IMO, Glasnow, Bell, & Newman would be an absolute haul and one I would take in a heartbeat. I'm doubtful the Pirates would do that deal, but that would be my price without having a positional headliner like Meadows.