Chicago White Sox

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QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 03:20 PM) I don't know how much of this I buy. All prospects are risky, and the so-called "safest" and most MLB-ready ones aren't available in trades anyway. Plus, several of the safe options have struggled themselves this year (Bregman, Swanson, Meadows). So there is no surefire way to combat that. The one point I will concede is that through all this trading and drafting, the Sox have obtained mostly bat-first guys with questionable defense, which is a little worrisome and does narrow their avenues to success a little. But overall, I think RH did well and didn't leave anything better on the table. I think their philosophy is it's easier to coach up defense than it is to teach someone how to make more consistent and/or harder contact.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 11:52 AM) I'd be fine with Sox signing a defensive catcher who frames well. I think that would be good and helpful. 100% agree with this. Otherwise, I see us loading up on a couple reclamation relievers and a starter too.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) Oh come on now. That is just hyperbole. He'd be midrange in our top 30. Guy is young but has a lot of tools. He is a better piece than Ian Clarkin. I ranked Basbabe #22 in our system yesterday and I would take him over Hernandez. He'd probably be in the mid to low 20's at best. And I don't think he's a better piece than Clarkin.

Does anyone know if Rutherford & Polo are going to be active tonight?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) I'm just looking at MLBPipeline, but he's a decent prospect...he's only 19, but projects to be a possible CF with a better than average arm. Considering they got him and 3 other warm bodies, seems like a pretty nice return to me, given what we just got back. Fangraphs & Baseball America both had him in the teens. Honestly, he's probably a Clarkin level prospect at best. Overall the returns for relievers haven't been that great so far this deadline IMO.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) Per Heyman, Brayan Hernandez is the top guy going for Phelps. Don't really know much about these guys, but Hernandez seems like a pretty weak headliner if true.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 10:01 AM) Yeah, and I'm still worried. Seems 1-3 SP's are pretty hard to find. Finding TOR starters I agree with, but Clarkin doesn't help there anyways.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 09:21 AM) Not from an fWAR perspective...Leury was worth more than Robertson, for example. Well I think using fWAR is a stupid way to value relievers against other players. WAR is partially volume driven and ignores context, so relievers are unfairly punished. Just look at what teams are paying for high leverage relievers and tell me with a straight face that you honestly think they're worth less than 5th starters.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 08:57 AM) A solid 5th starter is worth more than a stud reliever for sure. It would be interesting to debate whether it is worth more than a good one and a stud one (assuming Kahnle stays a stud) Gotta disagree here. A stud reliever is worth way more than a 5th starter.

We're going to have big problems if we can't find five starters between the following 12 guys: Giolito Lopez Fulmer Kopech Adams Guerrero Stephens Hansen Dunning Flores Clarkin Cease And we may only need four starters depending on if they view Rodon as a long-term piece.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 08:50 AM) I understand. That doesn't mean the deal will be a big win if Clarkin turns into a 5th starter and Rutherford busts. I'm with you on this. This deal is really Rutherford or bust. Clarkin can mitigate some of the loss or improve the gain, but he alone isn't going to turn the deal into a win.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 08:38 AM) The Yanks are going to be "forced" to shed salary to get under luxury tax threshold so I doubt this was an unlikely scenario. Are you sure about this? They have at least $65M in salary coming off the books next year between A-Rod, Sabathia, & Holiday. Even with Robertson's $13M salary, it seems like they should have plenty of space below the luxury tax. And this assumes that Tanaka doesn't opt-out either.

I think the catcher spot is in pretty decent shape. I think people are overreacting to Collins' poor batting average. I'm going to wait and see where he is this time next year before I panic. He may have to work on correcting that hitch, but I do think that is fixable whereas a lack of plate discipline would much more difficult to fix. After Collins, you got interesting guys in Zavala, Skoug, Perez, & Alfaro amongst a few others. SS is definitely a concern area. Yrizarri has some potential, but also some big red flags. Curbelo & Nunez are both exciting prospects, but haven't even hit full season ball and may not even stick. My hope is we can somehow land an elite SS prospect in next year's draft like Bryce Turang. I'm not giving up on Anderson yet, but we really do need a backup plan for him.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 06:36 AM) I think not eating more of robertsons salary (than taking clippard) is the only thing that you could the sox blame for. If they ate more they could have gotten a top100 for him alone and maybe another one for kahnle later but is that better than one top30? I would have like a better second piece than clarkin but the ownership probably wasn't willing to pay more. Hahn said they offered to eat money with other teams, but this was the best deal from a value standpoint. Unfortunatly, they can't force the Yankees to give up a better prospect return in exchange for money.

Lol @ the epic fail in the match game with two cards left!

Renteria is a f***ing joke.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 04:57 PM) I have no opinion of him yet. I was relaying what KLaw had said. As for these reviews...yikes I know, was just messing around. I can understand why people would pessimistic given the lack of HRs.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/white-sox/...s-underwhelming Some scouts down on Rutherford. Lack of power and hard contact is worrisome. Didn't know fathom worked for fanragsports.

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 01:56 PM) Looks like Rutherford will go to A ball. Seriously where are they going to put everyone? Outside of a Jimenez promotion to AA (or Fisher in a quick move) I can't imagine who's going to go up to make room. Have to imagine Micker might be promoted soon? Once A+ clears up a bit. I'd keep Adolfo in low A all year. He still has to work on his plate discipline and Winston-Salem is already loaded with OF talent.

I'll be in attendance tonight! Should be an awesome game!

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 02:50 PM) I hear you but pretty sad when you consider that every one of those players was on a "team friendly" contract. It was still a very strong collection of talent as evidenced by these trades, just a shame they couldn't find even average MLB starters to field the rest of the team. So many free agent busts in recent years. I totally agree, it makes me sick to my stomach that we couldn't build around a core of Sale, Quintana, Rodon, Eaton, Abrue, etc. But the reality was the system was barren and we were at a pivot point. Our rebuilding effort is off to a great start simply because we cashed in our core assets before they lost all value.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 11:19 AM) I'm with you on this. Don't think they'll contend, but I'm confused how some people think we'll have a super high draft pick in 2019. Probably 10-15, I'd guess. Because we'll have a lineup full of question marks, two massive holes in our rotation, a non-existent bullpen, and several key contributors that will be in their first full season & likely to struggle. Unless the Sox go out and sign some quality free agents, I full expect a bottom five performance next year. 2019 should be much better when that next wave of talent hits and the first group has worked through their growing pains.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 01:49 PM) The funny thing is, depending upon how you define superstar, the White Sox kind of already had that prior to this season between Eaton, Abreu, Sale, Q and now Avi this year. I'm not saying at this point I disagree with the rebuild approach but just find it ironic that the best case scenario for this rebuild is to find a new group of core players (which is a risk when referring to prospects) when we had already established this type of core group locked up for multiple seasons yet still couldn't manage to win more than 78 games. The key difference though is despite having those superstars previously, we did not have the depth or payroll capacity we're projected to now to fill in around them. We literally had no one in AAA that we could call up and expect to be 1 to 2 WAR player right away. That's the main reason we had to rebuild.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 11:58 AM) You have concerns about Avi's weight, but not Abreu's? I want Abreu to be our full-time DH, so yeah, I'm more concerned with Avi because he has to play the field. And why it might not be the reason, Avi suddenly becoming a productive hitter after losing 18 pounds gives me concern that his playing weight has a direct impact on his offensive ability. Perhaps I should have a similar concern about Abreu, but he also has a pretty good track record with his hitting.