Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 05:19 PM) I'd go 2/$22...take it or leave it, Jakemeister. No offense, but is everyone here oblivious to pitching prices. Have you seen what guys like Oliver Perez, Carlos Silva, & Kyle Lohse have got in free agency? Peavy will probably be looking for what John Lackey got a few years ago (roughly $16 mil/yr), but obviously for less seasons. Honestly, if you're going to offer him Edwin Jackson money, then you might as well not make the offer.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 05:05 PM) Is 3/$36 really that "Team friendly"? If you go to the fangraphs world, ever since his cy young year, he's been a $12 million-$17 million a year pitcher outside of the year he tore apart his shoulder. At his current pace he'll put up $16 million in value this year, so compared to this year that's slightly team friendly, but he's been a $12 million a year pitcher on average since the end of his cy young year. People are talking about the Dodgers paying him more than that...because the Dodgers might overpay anyone who can fill their holes right now and make them a winner next year, even if it's not a smart financial move. See: Andre Etheir's contract for an example. Yes, that's a team friendly contract. I'm not sure why you think a 25% discount over his actual value is only "slightly" team friendly. That's a pretty significant discount. Regardless, he's going to be one of the top starters in free agency and someone will give him $15 million or more a year. I don't think he'd take a 3/36 offer from us not should he. If you want to keep him, either you pick up his option or make a legitimate multi-year offer. I'd much rather go 1/18 with him then 3/45, which is probably closer to what he'd accept.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 02:28 PM) Ron Schueler is one of my heroes in life. The guy who was afraid to trade prospects when it could have put his teams over the top?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 10:55 PM) I guess it depends upon whether you're actually talking about hitting or value from an offensive player. If we're talking strictly hitting and using OPS as the base guideline, the best hitter he's drafted since 2001 (if we're including 2001) is Chris Young with a career OPS of .756. Then you have others of note, including Josh Fields, Ryan Sweeney, Jeremy Reed, and Gordon Beckham. Merely an argument of semantics. The Sox have not drafted nor developed hitters very well for a long time. The Sox have also invested heavily in pitching in the past, which is probably the biggest reason for failing to develop major league hitters. That has changed in recent years, with Beckham, Morel, Mitchell, Phegley, Thompson, Walker, Hawkins, Barnum, & DeMichelle all 1st to 3rd round picks since 2008.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 05:41 AM) I think it's really, really, pushing it to call it a bargain. We'll see if JR and KW agree with you on that front. He's not going to be easily replaceable...however, there's a lot of ways to be creative with that kind of money. That's nearly superstar level money, and Peavy might be many things, but he's not 2007 Jake Peavy. No problem paying him $12.5-15 million per year, but anything over that is playing with fire, just like the Danks contract has quickly become the new riskiest contract on our books, over Peavy/Dunn/Rios. How is one year playing with fire? The whole point here is we can get #1 starter production (if he can stay healthy) without a long-term commitment or sacrificing any young assets by picking up the option. The marginal cost is $18 million, only $3 million more than some people are willing to pay him annually on a three year deal. I understand there is some risk he won't stay healthy, but I'd counter we don't have a great chance at making the post-season next year without him and if he does get injured it only impacts 2013. Plus if he does stay healthy, we'd probably get a compensation pick for him. Again, there is some risk involved in picking up the option, but it's isolated and the potential rewards greatly are much greater IMO.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 06:58 PM) I honestly think the smartest thing to do is to just let Peavy walk. And how do you plan on replacing him and remaining competitive? We're talking about the #8 SP in terms of WAR.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 05:11 PM) Peavy is going to cost $4M if we let him walk. That is locked in and will be on the books. Period. So, if we pick up the option the effective cost is $14M. Now, who can we sign for 1 year at $14M that will be better than Jake Peavy? Probably nobody. Also, you are giving up potential mid-season trade bait is we suck next year, or a draft pick if he says all year. I'd say to pick the option up. His option is for $22 million, so the marginal cost is $18 million, but I agree with your other points.

QUOTE (thedoctor @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 05:00 PM) you could make an argument that sale could. of course that's a could not a would. I'm saying Peavy is a #1 starter based on his production. Sale would also qualify as a #1 starter. IMO, the strength of our team is that we have two guys who could be #1 starters on many other teams. If you let Peavy go and replace him with an internal candidate, you've most likely gone from #1 starter production to #4/5 starter production. That's going to be a signicant downgrade and one that will impact the standings greatly. Unless you have serious concerns about his workload this year, I'd seriously consider picking up that option.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 04:37 PM) The only way I'd consider offering him anything is if Danks has a prognosis after surgery saying he won't pitch next year. Especially with what Quintana has come up with this year, the Sox are deep enough to fill rotation holes more cheaply than Peavy. If you throw a Liriano extension into the mix it would start getting ridiculous. Seriously, take a look: Sale Danks Floyd Quintana Humber Axelrod Castro Santiago possibly That's 8 deep, 6 of them cheap, with guys who can at least cover the back of the order and could be worth developing. And we have this annoying habit of having other quality guys appear magically like Quintana did this year while we're at it. We can trade Floyd and still consider ourselves to have depth in the rotation. If we're spending money this offseason, bring Youk back for one more year assuming he finishes this year healthy, and sign AJ for 2 more. Peavy is a #1 starter, not just some random rotation spot. None of the guys you listed are filling that void.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 03:56 PM) Nobody is giving Liriano $11 million a year. Edwin Jackson just got $11 million this past off-season, there's a good chance someone gives Liriano the same on a short-term deal. As for Peavy, there is no way in hell he takes $11 million a year from us. He'll get way more than that on the free agent market. I'd have no problem picking up that option, as we're paying him $4 million regardless. The marginal cost for him is $18 million, which is only $1 million more than what we're paying him this year. Look at what Hamels just got on an annual basis and tell me Peavy at $18 million for one year is a bad deal.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 05:50 PM) I said they still have a ways to go. And how is Concepcion an epically bad signing? The kid is 20. Stewart for Colvin looks semi-bad right now. He's been real good at Coors; mediocre everywhere else. He's what 28 or almost? They're not going to miss him in the long-run. At all. I'm not trying to be a dick, but have you seen Conception's numbers? His WHIP is almost 2 this year and he actually has more BBs than SOs. For a guy with fringy stuff, that's not a good sign.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 09:30 AM) Why would AZ have put Septimo on their 40 man roster in 2008? He only had 3 years' minor league service time at that point, and was never in the majors, so there was no reason to do that. That just doesn't add up. Mark Gonzalez confirmed it in today's Tribune. Septimo is out of options and would have to clear waivers to be sent back down to AAA. Unfortunately, there is almost no chance he would clear waivers. Given the lack of quality LH pitching, some team would take a chance on him.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 03:50 PM) Of course. I'm just saying if you look at it objectively (aka, not that whatever the cubs do sucks because they're the cubs), he's doing a good job so far. Getting Vizcaino was pure robbery. If you want to be objective, then let's point out some of their bad moves. Stewart for Colvin looks like a terrible move at this point. Concepcion has been an epically bad signing. They've made some good moves, especially Rizzo for Cashner, but let's not pretend they've been perfect. Theo & Jed still have a long, long road ahead of them. We'll see how good they truly are by how quickly the Cubs become competitive again.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 08:10 AM) If he is healthy, he is a prime AFL candidate. Yeah, I agree with this. If he's healthy, then they should try to give him a few more innings. I still think he hasn't been right all year.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 05:22 PM) I think most people do. I don't see Sanchez as anything special, really. I disagree, I think most people feel Sanchez is the superior prospect. Given the differences in age, I'd go with Sanchez too, although they are both quality prospects IMO. I actually think Saladino is very underrated, as his on-base ability has been incredible this year and he's got more power than he's shown this year.

Saladino leaves the Southern League as the leader in BBs with 74 and third in OBP at .391.

Septimo was added to Arizona's 40 man roster on 11/20/2008, so this should be his fourth season on a 40 man roster unless we took him off it at some point last year. Since he's also spent 20 days in the minors in each of these seasons, he should have burnt his third and final option at the end of last season. Now, there is a chance he meets the criteria for a fourth option, but that doesn't appear to be the case from what I can tell. Also, I'm not sure what happens with his option status since technically we resigned him this offseason as a minor league free agent. My guess is he out of options.

I think this is the correct move. Give Septimo an extended look as the second lefty. Stretch out Santiago in AAA as insurance for the rotation.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 12:49 PM) I think it's a utility player or nothing. He's already added 3 players and bolstered the club, now it's just adding maybe one guy off the bench. Yet we've traded very little of value. Depending on the PTBNL in the Myers trade, we have traded none of our top 10 prospects (my own list). Therefore, we still have plenty of chips to make additional moves. IMO, KW is looking at a backup infielder and LH reliever. However, I'm sure he's asking about other impact players in case the price is right.

If the PTBNL is from the 2011 draft, then it's got to be one of the following guys: Keenyn Walker Erik Johnson Jeff Soptic Scott Snodgress Marcus Semien Kevan Smith Honestly, I would hate losing any of those guys. If I had to choose, I'd probably go with Soptic since he has the highest bust potential.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 08:15 AM) Volquez is not available, supposedly. It's a bit of overkill to acquire League or Street when we already have Reed, Myers and Crain. Not to mention the fact that it looks like Street might stay put. Vargas is a possibility. Honestly, I'd rather take my chances with Humber than give up anything for Vargas. His road/home splits are pretty extreme and I don't think making half his starts at the Cell would do him any favors

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:35 PM) Walker has been very impressive especially considering his slow start in April (May too I believe.) Still has to work on his K rate, but I think you can make a case for him as their #1 prospect right now. I love how Walker has been playing, but I'll still take Mitchell and Thompsom over him at this point because of their power. Having said that, I don't see how these three guys and Hawkins won't all be in our top 6 prospects. That's pretty insane to have four legitimate CF prospects.

If Thompson can play a legit CF, it totally changes the complexion of him as a prospect. Also, it's always great seeing a young, toolsy prospect show significant improvement with the bat in the second half of a season.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:15 PM) This also reiterates the point Bucket made yesterday. Seems his sources are a little more ahead of the curve than Mr. Heyman. He doesn't sound like much of an insider when they have him on the Score.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 02:43 PM) Still better than Nestor Molina Way too early to write off Molina. I have a feeling he's been hurting all season due to the amount of innings he pitched last year. I don't think we've seen the real Molina yet. As for Travis, best case scenario he's a NL #4 starter. I'll take my chances on the guy KW, his scouts, and Paddy have scouted extensively and were very high on coming into the season.