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QUOTE (hogan873 @ May 3, 2010 -> 02:40 PM) O goody! Kotsay's back in the 5th spot! so we are back to the same crap lineup we had to start the season. havent we learned anything yet?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 3, 2010 -> 06:15 AM) Then again, the early returns on the Javy Vasquez deal don't look so good) Give it some time. Lillibridge was never realistically expected to be a major league regular when we acquired him. If Flowers doesn't make it as a catcher, then that's a pretty big hit as far as that trade goes, but Gilmore and Santos Rodriguez (especially) are interesting prospects, albeit ones we won't see for another two seasons, if not 3. Look at it this way....Vazquez sucked for us when it counted, just jettisoning his contract would have been enough for me. Instead, we got a Top 50 catching prospect who's very intriguing and Gilmore/Rodriguez as part of the deal, both of who could emerge eventually at the big league level. It's nothing to get worked up about now regardless, that trade was alway a "way down the line" move in terms of evaluation. If you want to dissect any move/s, it's both Swisher trades that have been pretty horrible in terms of an overall "net" return to the Sox. However, I'll cede KW's company line that Swisher wasn't going to play CF for us and that he allocated the money from Nick's deal to the signing of Viciedo. Only when/if Dayan fails to contribute can I completely write off every element of the 2 Swisher moves and call it a complete loss. I don't see any real problem with the Javy trade. He sucked for us and he sucks now. Even if just Flowers becomes a ML catcher than the deal is worth it. I also agree on the Swisher moves. We gave up too much in the first deal and got nothing in return for him back. Since the two deals were a year apart they look pretty bad. I suppose you can say that KW did a good job of recognizing he wasn't fit for this team and dumping the salary but it seems like he could have gotten something useful in return. Also, I don't think Mark would get us a premium of prospects from the Cards.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 1, 2010 -> 02:05 PM) He loves strawberry ice cream. i think i am going to leave and go get some ice cream

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ May 1, 2010 -> 01:52 PM) And that ain't on Kotsay, correct? Does he pencil himself into the 5th slot? no but when someone is placed into that position and doesn't perform, whether he is capable or not, people are gonna rip on him. just like wise last year, he wasnt good enough to be the CF and proved it. and kotsay was nowhere close to 770 OPS the last 2 years

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ May 1, 2010 -> 01:45 PM) He's not a regular player. He's a good bench player/occasional starter. Where did I say that he was an everyday player? Did you really just refer to yourself as a smart fan? Smart people are not presumptuous. exactly hes not a regular player but he was being used as a regular player. you said fans were impatient with him when they were upset that he was playing a lot. if he was just a bench player nobody would have a problem with it but when he was hitting 3rd and 5th thats where the problems started

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ May 1, 2010 -> 01:36 PM) Way to go, Kotsay. Dude that hit .290 in both '08 and '09 with an overall OPS in the .770 range, getting s***ted on by impatient fans. seriously? more like smart fans who know he has no business being a regular player

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 1, 2010 -> 11:24 AM) He's kind of a prick in public. he was with frank too

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 04:56 PM) Dye's production the in the second half last year was worth an 1/8th of what he thinks he's worth for a full season. my buddy just saw JD at the Palms in Vegas at 2:00 am this morning.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 03:06 PM) The next game the Sox win, Ozzie will tie Larussa for 3rd most wins as a White Sox manager at 522. good i will be happy he passes that fraud larussa

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 09:58 PM) Great. He's walked 50 times one season in his career. If Mark Teahen gets the most ABs on your team, the playoffs are not something you realistically think about. no matter how you make up the lineup, the playoffs are not realistic with this roster. it is lacking one and probably two good hitters.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 11:16 AM) When this organization reaches the conclusion that we need to bring Dye back, it's time to call-up the kids and play them everyday. i think i have to agree with you

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 04:18 PM) 1. Astros Fans. 2. Expos fans. 3. Puerto Rico fans. 4. Baltimore fans. 5. Elijah Dukes. hahaha elijah hates a lot of people i bet

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 04:12 PM) Sox are 7th most hated team in baseball that list makes no sense. who hates the astros and nationals?

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 03:56 PM) This is going to come back to bite us in the ass. We cannot have a closer who lets a man on every inning. His W.H.I.P is a tragedy. bite us so we win 78 games instead of 81?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 03:44 PM) Would have been 3 homers in a game if not for the wind turning against his ball and holding it up. Now we really need to use Santos in the 9th. Paul Konerko, 25th multi-homer game for Paulie in his career. i bet it was his first with both homers coming after the 8th

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 03:20 PM) I still don't understand why he doesn't run Beckham or Alexei like this (though alexei really doesn't get on so he won't count yet) Hell even Teahen can give us 10-15. dont the rangers realize kotsay cant hit?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 03:15 PM) Paulie!!! Leading the world in HRs! wow i am done with cbs, way behind. i switched to mlb.com

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 03:10 PM) How do two runs score on a wild pitch? that may have been the biggest gift inning i have seen in a while. can we hold this lead?

QUOTE (chisox2334 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 02:54 PM) my gosh they walked ozzie fav. boner player of year last yr. how dare they walk him... ozzie thoughts " I want kotsay resigned". two gift baserunners, we have to be able to score now, dont we?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 02:39 PM) I truly believe, in my heart of hearts, that even Kotsay and Vizquel could have tagged that pitch. your heart must be misplaced

QUOTE (hogan873 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 02:22 PM) I would have thought that a sub-par game would make we want to stop following it and get some work done, but no... even bad baseball is better than work!

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 02:10 PM) Why all the negativity in the game thread? because everyone is afraid that their whole summer will be ruined before it starts

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 01:27 PM) Can we please at least try to cancel the post-game show? feldman does give up over 11 hits per 9. we should at least scratch out 3 or 4!!

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 12:27 PM) Everyone on on the team with at least 10 PA has at least 2 hits with RISP except for 1 player; Juan Pierre. He's 1 for 18 (.056/.105/.056/.161), the next worst AVG is AJ at 2 for 13 (.154/.214/.231/.445). The Best is Carlos Quentin at 6 for 20 w/ 3 HR and 16 RBI (.300/.423/.800/1.223). Pierre may be passed in the next few days by Mark Kotsay (0-8). do we have to live with Juan for next year too??

QUOTE (hogan873 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 11:34 AM) I'm not going to start a new thread, but what would you do right now if you were KW? I wouldn't do anything until after this road trip and maybe into the next home stand. If the Sox are swept during this road trip and lose 2 of 3 to KC, I'd have to do something. But would firing Ozzie be the right move? Who would step in? Would you start shopping your players? thats the problem that I see. I dont know what he can really do right now since the damage was done in the offseason. signing matsui or vlad and having damon lead off over pierre i think would have made a huge difference but now its too late and there is not much to work with anymore. i dont think firing ozzie is all of a sudden going to make them a contender. i understand wanting to wait a little longer but do you really need to see anymore to recognize that this team is not good enough? would beating the royals really change your opinion?