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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Feb 12, 2010 -> 02:21 PM) Pretty much sums it up. I love the rotating DH idea (most teams are now doing it) but you got to have the talent to do the rotating. I'm sure if we had Jason Kubel on the team I doubt anyone here would be complaining about him rotating despite his s***ty defense, because the man can hit. If the rotator in the DH spot can play great D, thats a bonus, but give me the bat and bad defense than great defense and the s*** bat anyday. What is your basis for saying that?? It has absolutely zero merit. Angels - Matsui A's - Cust Mariners - Griffey Rangers - Guerrero Indians - Hafner Royals - Guillen Tigers - Guillen Twins - Kubel Blue Jays - ?????????? Orioles - Scott Rays - Burrell Red Sox - Ortiz Yankees - Johnson I don't see any rotations on one other team and I think every one of those teams intends to give those guys 450-500 ABs. The Sox are the only team using this bad concept. Of all those guys listed I think only Griffey and the Blue Jays are worse than what we have. To the other person who said people are getting away from the big lumbering DH, this list also disagrees. Only Carlos Guillen (a butcher in the field) and Nick Johnson are not lumbering type guys.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 12, 2010 -> 12:25 PM) This is correct, however where are you going to find a really good hitter who wants part time play? This is the problem with the current rotation plan. Let's use a really good hitter to play full time instead of use the DH "position" as a spot to rest your tired players. It should be used as spot to have one of your most productive hitters.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Feb 12, 2010 -> 11:53 AM) Not silly. Just uninformed. The Sox have said for months those guys are in that rotation. I think what he is trying to say is you can't include these guys as the starting DH. They would be occasional DH. If you count them in the rotation then you are putting a bad hitter at C (castro), 1b (kotsay) or RF (whoever the 4th OF is). None of those guys you would want to be your regular DH. So if you include the starting C, 1b or RF as your DH you are really counting them twice in the lineup.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 12, 2010 -> 11:52 AM) I wouldn't be surprised at all if Nix has a better offensive year than Vizquel and Andruw Jones, so I wouldn't mind him DHing under the current circumstances. I wouldn't be suprised either but that's more a statement on Vizquel and Jones that it is Nix.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Feb 12, 2010 -> 07:37 AM) Signing Damon obviously doesn't guarantee a championship. However with the division likely to be a real close race again, he could possibly make the difference. The Sox weren't just going to splash 4M out on some average relievers, like say an Ed Wade would, it'd have to be an impact guy, and Damon obviously provides that. FWIW, I think the Sox could have been better served by not trading for Pierre, and just signing Damon and using him at LF/DH as a leadoff hitter, Rios at CF, Quentin at RF, and Jones as the 4th OF/DH. They would have had more money available to do that anyways. This is probably correct but if Pierre is batting 9th and Damon leading off I like Juan a whole lot more. I just don't want him at the top of the order.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 10, 2010 -> 10:21 AM) I still don't see this situation as being that bad. If you look at the splits kotsay had a .290 BA , and a .347 obp against rhp last year and jones had a .367 obp against lhp with a poor ba last year. While these numbers aren't great they aren't awful in light of two reasons. 1. they spent their money and off season moves on peavy and rios, so the sox were going to down grade somewhere. I, personally would rather have peavy and rios than a thome type at dh. 2. the sox want a more athletic defensive oriented team and kotsay provides this with backing up 1B and jones provides this with backing up the of. I think ozzie and kw got tired of seeing dye konerko, thome and aj getting on base but not scoring because it took 3 hits to get them home. The replacements may not get on base as much but have a chance to score on fewer hits. The sox are counting on the lineup working as a team as opposed to the fanasy stats of thome only scoring if he hits the homerun. It will be quite the different team built along the same lines of boston, angels and seattle all of whom shed power for pitching and defense this year. I certainly got tired of seeing this too. Though I don't think Kotsay and Jones are the answer. We are only talking 155 ABs for Kotsay with minimal power. He is not a productive hitter.

QUOTE (Felix @ Feb 8, 2010 -> 11:56 AM) Calling it a sentence is pretty generous HAHA I guess if Luis doesn't care that his choice. Personally, I think its dumb to unretire a number for a guy who is only going to play one season and barely play at that.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Feb 4, 2010 -> 10:58 PM) Holding out that our pitching can be lights out this year. (I.E. guys having career years in there as well) The Twins once again.. our biggest competition not to mention, I love their depth. Only question mark they have of course is the rotation. I think Liriano will be very good personally, but it's the back end we will see. I agree, I think Liriano will be a lot better this year. Unfortunately, the Twins have to be the favorites at this point. I hate the Twins.

QUOTE (heirdog @ Feb 5, 2010 -> 12:51 PM) I think the Sox would be willing to make the trade but San Diego isn't ready yet. There are also other teams (Boston) trying to get him. SD can wait for teams to up the ante. They are likely playing the "so and so team is willing to go this high..." to make teams add in players to their proposals, etc. IMHO, from the Sox perspective, they are likely willing to give up the package but like Flowers the most out of the group. They will bite the bullet if needed and thus brought in the insurance of Castro in case the deal does go down. If not, you put Flowers in AAA and plug him in next year. Teahen signed 3 years so Morel would be playing the role of Fields to Crede and if they can get value...insane value in Gonzalez for 2 years (potentially longer since the Konerko, Buerhle deals will be coming off the books), you do it. Viciedo can be the power from the right side that Flowers would have offered. AJ still has good years left and as hard as it is to find a Catcher that can hit at a decent clip and handle a staff, AJ might be perfect for our rotation for the next few years (vs. a young player like Flowers). Hudson has a mid-rotation starter ceiling and Morel or DanksII may be serviceable MLBers not stars. Mitchell might be who SD really wants but hopefully we can keep him out. His time table falls more in line with the potential contract expiry of Pierre. Flowers, Hudson, D2, Morel for AGon...that's as high as I would go. I would try and keep D2 just to entice D1 to sign here for the next few years when the time is right. He might be less inclined if his bro wasn't here. Sox like Hudson the most and view him as a top of the rotation starter.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 1, 2010 -> 03:31 PM) Hudson supposedly has a standing offer from the Nats and many of their players are openly courting him. The Indians are said to have absolutely no money, and are planning on rebuilding, so I don't know what the allure would be for Hudson there. I'm really drawing a blank on who the mystery team could be... not us

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jan 28, 2010 -> 06:14 PM) Really????? I know our offense isnt great but i thought it was at least middle of the pack and getting a solid bopper DH would put us above middle of the pack. I mean I know there are a lot of what ifs but the team has a ton of potential and maybe its because im a sox fan but i think every offensive player on the field has the potential to be an all star except Teahen who is a great hitter in his own and i dont think a lot of people realize that because hes coming from the royals. -Last year Lexi was bein talked about as bein a better offensive player than Derek Jeter. -CQ is healthy, last time he was healthy he was puttin up MVP numbers -If Rios fails like he did the end of last year i will be genuinely shocked, the guy was an all star in 07. I find it hard to believe a guy who hit over .290/.337/.798 the previous 3 years before last and knocked in at least 71 the last 4 is a fluke and is gonna drop off at age 29. -we all know Beckham is the future and the future started last year, i expect him to put up alex rios type numbers -We're all griping about paying Pierre so much when we could have gotten Pods back cheaper and i agree but when you look past finances Pierre is a better option than Pods IMO. Neither are great but both will you what you want on the base paths and its safe to say Pierre is better at causing havoc there. -AJ is one of the best hitting catchers -PK is still good for 25+ HR and 80 RBI -Teahan is wayyyy underrated around here, seems to me like hes being viewed as the worst starter (aside from dh) on the team and having a guy that has played on a horrible team the last couple years which leads me to believe his output will be greater over here. I'll take .270/.330 15 HR 60 RBI out of our "worst hitter" any day of the week. -The DH position as it stands i believe will be 2 different monsters, Kotsay is a a really good hitter against RHP and when hes in there he doesnt give you the normal DH masher but he does give you a good hitter who will get on base and score runs, Jones on the other hand i believe still gives you that all or nothing DH i still believe hes got a ton of pop in his bat and his 17 bombs in 82 games last season seem to agree with me. Im not saying its a great offense but its def not the 2nd worst in the league. Sorry but I think you are way off here. 1) We don't have a solid bopper DH so you can't factor that into the equation. 2) Lexi is nowhere close to the offensive player Jeter is, that is really a ridiculous statement. 3) CQ did have a great 2008. Let's hope he can stay healthy. 4) Rios has been discussed on this board a ton and I can see both sides of the argument. 5) I sure hope Beckham puts up better numbers than Rios. 6) Pierre is fast. 7) There are at least 10 catchers who are better hitters than AJ so I would not consider him one of the best. 8) PK is probably good for that, but thats in the bottom half of first baseman in baseball. 9) Teahan is not underrated at all here. Most people give him the numbers you state. 10) Kotsay has no business being a full time player, much less a DH. He is not a really good hitter against RHP. He has no pop. He is Erstad all over again. Jones hit 17 hrs sure but a 214 average is awful and I don't see how you can be happy with that.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 28, 2010 -> 05:33 PM) Looks stronger to me, but at least AS good. You think its worse by 80 runs? Plus the fact that the starting staff is better, the bullpen would have to be worse by like 100 runs or more. I agree, I dont see how we let up 80 more runs. 100 more runs from a pen that wasn't all that good to begin with is crazy. Plus, the defense should be better.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 28, 2010 -> 04:27 PM) The only team they have with a worse offense than us is Toronto. hard to really argue with that, our offense stinks

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 10:18 AM) See, for some reason, the idea of being left with just Vizquel and Kotsay as reserve infielders frightens me. I'm not sure if it frightens me more or less than having Jones/Kotsay as out DH though.... Let's just hope that Ozzie and Kenny are really j/k with this Jones/Kotsay thing... The idea of Kotsay getting 400 at bats or 300 at bats or being considered as a DH really frightens me. I don't want another Erstad situation.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 05:18 AM) Seems that no matter how many different lists come out that the common consensus is that Jared Mitchell has HUGE upside. I can't wait to track this guy next year. That he does and hes the guy I am most excited about. The sox have needed a guy like him for a long time. Too many of the Carlos Lee, Dye, Mags types (I am not bashing them I just want an exciting speed type guy).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 11, 2010 -> 01:32 PM) It can't be that simple, unless the Sox really believe in Hudson. 1) they believe big time in hudson. top of the rotation starter. 2) you, me and the rest of us who want this trade are not in charge. 3) i can see an argument for not doing this trade. we don't know the budget or the long time future plans. giving up 3 guys who you intend to be above average starters for many years at cheap salaries is a high price to pay.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 11, 2010 -> 11:57 AM) Which Danks? John or Jordan? If it is Jordan, the deal is done as far as I am concerned. If it is John, forget it. jordan

QUOTE (heirdog @ Jan 4, 2010 -> 11:29 AM) I think Hudson, Viciedo, Torres and Mitchell will be traded for AGonz. The hold-up is likely that SD wants Flowers and Mitchell and we are offering Viciedo and Danks 2...KW will give in on Mitchell. PK is your DH as Kenny convinces JR to take on more payroll due to the sponsorship monies brought in by the Marketing dept (we keep hearing about "sponsorships" and "marketing dept" from KW so it must play a role in this plot). There is plenty of playing time for Guillen's boy Andruw Jones as he rotates around the OF giving guys days off. Kotsay will be the best PH in baseball and will spell AGonz/PK at 1B/DH. Last I heard they wanted Flowers, Danks and Hudson.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 7, 2010 -> 03:06 PM) I bet they would have kept him there had the Teahen trade never happened. No. You don't move a 21 year old power hitting 3b off the position for a 28 yr old journeyman. It had nothing to do with Teahan. They decided DV can't play defense there.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 7, 2010 -> 02:52 PM) That was before we knew that you knew stuff.... hahaha, fair enough!

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 7, 2010 -> 12:14 PM) How would this shock anyone? Watching ST last year it was apparent this kid had no future at 3B. We'll have an opening at 1B, and if his bat is as legit as it's been made out to be, that'll be fine and dandy. Not shocking at all. I told you guys last summer that the sox had decided he wasnt going to play 3b and most people here said it was premature.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Dec 21, 2009 -> 12:10 PM) 2009 Alexei was a better hitter than 2009 Rios. Prior to that, Rios' hitting and base-stealing numbers are superior. Prior to that he wasnt in the league. Shouldn't the lineup be based on their current hitting abilities rather than 3 years ago? Base stealing numbers have nothing to do with where someone should hit in the order.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 20, 2009 -> 08:21 PM) I dislike both of those lineups. You've stuck Beckham so low in the order it will cost him AB's. I want him hitting either 2 or 3. AJ really doesn't belong as a # 3 hitter, he's just not an RBI/power guy like I want in that spot. And it's going to take a step forwards from Teahen for him to be an adequate option for #5. ANd in either case, you have a stretch where 5 of 6 hitters are RH and they're only broken apart by Teahen, that sets up quite well to have a RHP rip through the lineup. I dislike any lineup where Rios is hitting 2nd. Lexi is a better hitter than he is and shouldn't be hitting 9th.

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Dec 20, 2009 -> 01:22 PM) The Sox have the best 1-4 in baseball... good chance of being better than 5.. Buehrle/Garcia/Garland/Contreras/Hernandez - Peavy/Buehrle/Danks/Floyd/Garcia. I think the Red Sox top 4 is better and the Mariners, Phillies, Cardinals and Giants are also in contention.

QUOTE (scotty22hotty @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 02:01 PM) Acquire Johnson for DH Trade Quentin for Bradley(+$11M) & Marmol Pierre Beckham Johnson Konerko Bradley Rios AJ Alexei Teahan you talking nick johnson? dude is not a #3 with the nationals