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QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 02:24 PM) I dabble on a Blue Jays message board and their hatred for JP Arencibia is unlike anything I have ever seen. It's Dunn X Flowers X Javy Vazquez X Swisher bad. They will have a thread like "What would be a realistic return for Bautista?" and the 3rd post will be like "f*** JPA." It's almost annoying. He's easily the most mentioned player on the site. That thread is hilarious! I guess it would be similar here if Beckham busted that hard.

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QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 10:36 AM) If you really believe in their prospects, yes. It'd have to be something wild like Profar/Ross/Alfaro/Gallo/Jackson and some lower level guys. But the way Hahn has been talking, it's not gonna happen. I would drive Sale to the airport myself if we got back the #1 prospect in baseball, a legit catching prospect, an excellent RH reliever with ML experience, a good SP prospect AND someone with the upside of Gallo.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Aug 12, 2013 -> 06:12 AM) Their will be a big bidding war on Abreu. Going have to throw $50+ million to be in this game. I don't see the Sox organization playing ball when it comes to that kind of money with the unknown. We were in it until the end for Soler apparently. And that was before we shed 27 million dollars towards our 2014 payroll.

Luke Jackson made his first start in Double A last night and went 6 innings, only allowing 4 hits, no runs and had 6 K's. Rougned Odor also homered and is hitting .310/.375/.690 in 7 games as a 19 year old in AA. Yes please.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 10:14 AM) I still would like to see Garcia get the development time down there to still work on his plate discipline, regardless if Rios goes or not. You know he won't if Rios goes. But I would prefer that too. Wait until September 1st, what is the hurt in letting him play for a month? Though it is encouraging he has been drawing walks in Charlotte at a higher rate then ever before. (Tiny sample size I know)

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 09:34 AM) If you give up Rios you will pay more to replace him. Make the Rangers take 85% of the salary and the Sox get a Top 5 player and another Top 20 prospect and it is a deal. Look at what Swisher got this past offseason. Not sure why the Rangers would claim him, they knew the asking price nine days ago and it should not go down. That last part is what gives me hope a deal can be reached. The Rangers knew the asking price 10 days ago, if there really were "not close" to acquiring him, then why claim him and go through the trouble? They obviously want him, it's just a matter of finding a middle ground.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:55 PM) What kind of prospect do you think would be the Sox minimum price to let Rios go? I would take a chance on a younger, high ceiling guy like Jackson, Odor, or Gallo. Hahn was definitely ambitious asking for a package of Perez, Jackson and Odor, maybe Odor and Jackson would get it done?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:51 PM) Its not for nothing. Its for financial flexibility. For some reason, I don't think the Blue Jays are kicking themselves for letting Rios go for nothing. Have the Rangers throw in a couple of their lesser prospects maybe one with real good stats so people can get excited and call it a deal. He's only signed for the next two years and he has played up to that contract consistently. It's not a contract that is crushing us by any means. "Financial flexibility" was had in the Peavy deal, the Thornton deal, and when Konerko's contract expires. We don't NEED to give up him to cut payroll, so get fair value for him.

QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:43 PM) Which is why the White Sox in all their trades so far have not been getting any prospects in return and just dumping salary right? Yeah we are Marlins, aren't we? Same record, has to be the same philosophy right?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:45 PM) I simply hate WAR being thrown out as the be-all, end-all discussion point in these situations. It's like we're back in Moneyball and we're ignoring the Grady Fuson group of scouts who are there to say, "Yes, but...." from having watched his entire career, his body language, his moping, his "banishment" from Toronto and tempestuous relationship with the fans. Of all the starting players on the White Sox since 2009, there are probably fewer Rios jerseys (being sported at USCF) than just about any player, which is telling, considering he's been our best player (arguably) in 2012 and 2013, but does anyone REALLY CARE about losing him or NOT watching him play another game in a Sox uniform? Will anyone say "it's such a shame" we will never watch Alex play for us in the future? Not many. And I know he's part of the reason (at least in the top five) that I haven't cared about the White Sox the last couple of months, waiting for him to be replaced by Garcia. It means value in the trade market, at the very least. Just because Garcia is available and he's being paid well doesn't mean we should give up something of value for nothing. Rios is being paid fairly for his level of production, we should be compensated in prospects to let that production leave our ball club, period.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:42 PM) In the Sox situation where they have few prospects to build with and few veteran players other teams covet it would be to their advantage to have as much payroll flexibility as possible heading into the offseason. As was stated earlier in this thread, cash is king. The first part is correct that we have few prospects and few veteran players other teams covet. But you know Rios is one of those guys. Rios=prospects and maybe some salary relief, but my focus would be the prospects. If the Rangers just wanted to absorb his salary with this claim and not give up anything, I'd be happy for this deal to not go through

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 02:36 PM) Steve Stone couldn't have been more clear a couple days ago. He said that Cruz's taking the suspension caught the Rangers completely off guard and a number of people around baseball were saying so. Crazy to me if that's the case.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 02:37 PM) No. They can always reallocate those funds during the offseason. Its not like they wouldn't get anything. If they trust them to reallocate those funds in a better way then having Rios. Especially in this FA class, which is especially weak. Can't go much over slot in the draft and international signing nowadays, so not much room to spend there.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 02:34 PM) Just remember, the Rangers thought Cruz was going to appeal his suspension, so it's very possible they claimed Rios and are now much more desperate to get him than they were at the deadline (Sorry if someone posted this already) I have a hard time believing they didn't know by July 31st what his plan was. I doubt he just up and decided to serve it without letting them know. His name has been attached to this all year, he and the Rangers had time to deliberate and form a plan.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 02:21 PM) Financial flexibility is king in a rebuild. I would be livid, as you should be, if we just dumped him for salary relief. Everything the Sox have said and indicated through these moves are that we are "reloading" not "rebuilding." Rios has value, we might have to eat some salary to get a premium prospect, but it can be done. Dumping salary would be a cop out, especially after we didn't pay any of Peavy's outgoing contract.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 01:57 PM) Also they just extended Ryan Raburn and he plays RF too. Yep. It's basically Rangers, Pirates or bust IMO. Anyone else would be a complete shocker

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 01:44 PM) This season, Nick Swisher has played 18 games in RF, 70 at 1B, and 17 at DH. Damn there goes that theory. I just saw that play where the ball goes off the wall and between his legs in RF. Gets me every time haha

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 01:40 PM) They did just DFA Mark Reynolds but Rios doesnt play the positions Reynolds does. But they could move Swisher to 1st and have Rios play RF where Swisher is currently...

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 01:29 PM) Yankees Ha. They really don't have much need for Rios since the Soriano deal. Could you imagine an OF of Soriano, Rios, and Wells though?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 01:28 PM) So which team has lost a few in a row? We might surmise that Hahn thought he had a good match with one of those teams. Cleveland? Maybe he wanted him to clear waivers. In that case, this is much ado over nothing.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 01:25 PM) This is very plausible and very unfortunate. BAL is just slightly ahead of Texas in the claim order. Makes you wonder -- say if Hahn WANTED Texas to claim Rios, would it have made sense for him to watch the records and wait until they had lost a couple games before he officially put Rios on waivers, in order to give them the best chance of winning the claim? That would be really smart. But apparently he didn't do it.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 01:22 PM) We don't know if teams were asking for salary relief or not though before the deadline. Salary relief or not, Hahn was asking for, premium I think was the word, prospects back for Rios. Can't go from asking for legit guys to just dumping him.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 01:01 PM) This would be my guess. No way. Hahn was asking for the moon just a week ago. He would lose all credibility. If we were in a completely salary dump rebuild, then possibly, but we are looking for talent to help us back.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 5, 2013 -> 08:20 PM) Pitching change-- Garcia will be up with the bases loaded. Walk. RBI Love it. Was just having an argument with a Bill James Apostle who was convinced Avi will amount to nothing because he doesn't walk enough