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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:43 PM) Did you hear Kenny fired Joey by text after telling him he was the interim guy? f*** it, the CF and LF thing is going in the Misconception thread.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) Alexei Ramirez was the opening day CF for the White Sox in 2008. I know, I'm trying to explain his logic even though I've pointed Alexei was the opening day CF like 193891 times.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:32 PM) I wonder why he was playing LF opening day. CF = LF? Oh, and I smiled seeing Dave Martinez on TV last night. He is obviously qualified for the job now.

Tonight was beautiful. Edit: That Sons of Sam Horn thread is amazing. I love the thread title.

QUOTE (Papa Tru @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:47 AM) Also, why do this with two games left in the season? To me, it reeks of "Oh, you don't want me here? Then im taking my ball and going home" No, he wasn't getting the raise because JR didn't think he deserved it and he wasn't getting KW fired because JR wanted them both back.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:31 AM) Why should it matter if KW offered to "stand down"? Should that make me admire him more? I would have more respect if he said to JR, "Look, I'm responsible for this mess, the completely dysfunctional relationship between the front office and the coaching staff, Dunn/Rios/Peavy/Hudson for Jackson/Swisher...just give me one more chance. I'm going to rededicate myself 100% to this job and the effort of getting this organization back to where it was in 2005 and 2006. I won't rest until we have a team that White Sox fans can be proud of, that plays the game correctly, that hustles, that executes fundamentals..." That he is willing to quit and escape from this mess he created doesn't really impress me at all. In actuality, he created a large amount of the structural issues that plague this organization both today, tomorrow and 3 years from now. He was the one most directly responsible for Dave Wilder, and the current complete disaster which is our talent-base in the Domincan. Even this week, he's expressing astonishment when there's no "superstar" players to be had down there for the amount the White Sox want to spend. He should be honest with JR and tell him he needs to open the purse strings more in Asia, Venezuela and the Dominican, as well as emerging markets like Brazil, Australia, India, etc. Same thing with the draft. He should tell JR that it's his fault he needs to let Buehrle and Konerko go, because of the other players who are woefully underperforming with huge contracts. If he's not capable of convincing JR that the ONLY way to change the organizational mindset is to trade away most of the core and start over with a philosophy like they're following in Tampa, Milwaukee, Toronto, Arizona, KC, Texas, etc., he should walk away from the job today. If, and only if, he really wants to "WIN THE WAR" with Ozzie Guillen, about who was more important to the 2005 World Series championship...he should prove that he can build a consistent playoff-contending team again from the ashes. KW did this in the 2007-08 offseason to an extent, but things are 3X as bleak now because of the contracts we can't get off the books until midseason 2012 at the earliest. I mentioned KW because people act like Kenny sucked up to retain his job.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:58 PM) I know this is just want you want, but Alomar has no reason to come here to be the bench coach when he already has that job locked up in Cleveland. I know, I'd see Omar or Robin being the bench coach before Sandy in that case. QUOTE (daggins @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:59 PM) Yes to all but I doubt Sandy would leave his bench coach job in Cleveland to bench coach here. Laker was the name I forgot, he should def. be given a shot. Herm should be tendered a lifetime contract. Assumed.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 12:31 AM) It makes a lot of sense. KW hired that asshat. He did. Or Jerry did. Whatever. Kenny technically hired Ozzie and said publicly he was his "boss." Jerry told the two late last season or after last season to do better and make it work. It takes two to not tango. KW is just as much to blame of the fallout with Ozzie as Ozzie. You are totally taking KW's side on that?? No...I'm pretty sure if someone really, really doesn't want to dance, they won't.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 12:24 AM) I would love to see a well-written and well-thought out essay on this matter by one of the Ozzie supporters on this thread. But that will never happen... They should fire KW instead, it was his fault!

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:56 PM) Hm? http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...3338&st=465 Milkman delivers.

QUOTE (Real @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:52 PM) Ozzie quit. Oh, it was already mentioned, the rest is irrelevant. Ozzie supporters, the 2-3 of you that are left, defend that s*** please. haha I expect deflection of the question though I expect Milk to link the thread of dodged questions.

Ozzie wasn't fired. He quit to get more money so he wouldn't die poor. Kenny offered to stand down. Cora was never going to be interim. Cowley isn't a journalist. Greg Walker was responsible for the hitters to a degree. Feel free to add to it.

Buehrle's cheer. Humber all year. Stewart's game. The Knight Sox. Paulie getting into the All-Star game. Morel's power surge. Watching Sergio become a closer.

Manager: Dave Martinez Bench Coach: Sandy Alomar Jr. 1st Base: Harold Baines 3rd Base: Frank Thomas/Robin Ventura (either one works) Pitching Coach: Don Cooper Hitting Coach: Tim Laker

Also, I doubt Francona said "f*** 2004 or 2007, I'm in it for the money." Or Gonzalez probably said "f*** winning, I want more money? Am I gonna die poor in Atlanta." Had Ozzie left graciously, just said things weren't working out, I'd still respect him and feel a bit sad. But now? f*** him. He said "f*** my ring. I don't wear my f***ing ring." It makes me think 2005 was about a pay raise to him instead.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:33 PM) I have another question for you guys. Seriously, Atlanta and Boston did not make the playoffs after looking like they were locks. They blew it. Their fans bases must be furious, FURIOUS. So should their managers be fired??? Answer this please. Should Boston and Atlanta fire their managers. Those were EPIC failures in not making the playoffs. My point so many fan bases want to fire their managers. I think Ozzie is a good manager. Francona will be fired. Gonzalez was signed to recently in Florida and that team is on the verge of being a power again. Also, I would have ate the $2M and left Ozzie with no job opening. No one other than the Marlins would hire his ass.

I'll take the draft jump.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 03:31 PM) He had somewhere around 50 pitches a day ago. I forgot in the joy of no Greg Walker next year.

Sergio isn't in to shut the door?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:59 PM) Farmer calls DJ his "best friend" outside of his family. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 03:04 PM) Nice ovation for a nice season for Phil Humber. I like both of these.

Alexei doubles home De Aza.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:27 PM) His article in the ST today was a disgrace, its a good thing Morrissey is on the other page and can actually write. As someone who has taken a whopping 2 months of college as a Journalism major, I can confidently say I'd be a better Journalist compared to Cowley.

Ozzie leaves and Gordon starts hitting.

I'm cool with this. Though I love how everyone is getting reupped for 4 year deals once Ozzie is gone.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:32 PM) That means they have to either deal two starters, or keep Sale in the pen. Which one one do you see happening? Dealing Danks and Floyd. And I can easily see both gone.