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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 08:43 PM) Why exactly is the majority of this thread about politics instead of Giolito? I purposely avoid the filibuster section because I come here to talk Sox...not to have to go through tons of political posts and see people bickering at each other. SS2K5's initial point was relevant - to assume that government regulations wouldn't effect the taxes of a Sox sale would be impossible. But, politics is done in this thread now. No baiting, no bumping the politics, etc. That's the thread warning. Talk about Giolito or it gets locked.

Funny thing is if WBC version of Q is here from the get go, he'd command an equal or more Sale package at the deadline if a starter goes down.

Uh, guys. Buster if we're gonna continue this.

Based on the "Moncada isn't ready, we should have gotten Benintendi, Moncada's a bust" posts from barely a few weeks ago have been replaced with "future MVP, future HOF, he's got everything" I expect Giolito to be the 2017 Cy Young favorite in about two weeks

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Mar 25, 2017 -> 11:40 AM) If The choice is between Anthony Swarzak or Tommy Kahnle, you really can't go right. But if we add in Luebke, we can go left.

Porter Jr. officially going to Mizzou Robin Pingeton is now the GOAT program builder - fixed the women's team and now the men's team.

The GOP is that guy in basketball who demands more touches and blames his teammates for the team not doing well. Then when the other players get traded they're like "oh s***, getting the ball in the hoop is hard."

QUOTE (daggins @ Mar 24, 2017 -> 12:15 PM) They already project better than Cleveland, even with no bounceback from Keuchel and average seasons from McHugh. Until one of those guys flops, or McCullers gets hurt, they don't really need Q. Yeah, but how are they holding their own against the Red Sox?

QUOTE (Jake @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 08:43 AM) The peak of the tourney to me was the first inning of the Netherlands-Puerto Rico semifinal game. You had two huge plays from Yadier Molina to make the first two outs and the atmosphere was just insane. Then Wladimir Balentien, who it seemed like was able to win games by sheer force of will, hits a bomb and just goes ham and as he watches it leave the yard. That was the most fun, but somewhere Ian Kinsler was s***ting himself watching all that disrespect. That's also how you do it - don't like the emotion shown by the other team? Get them back, don't complain about passion.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 12:28 PM) That is pretty much an ideal package for what the Sox need. And before anyone says it's too rich for Quintana, here would be the Sale-trade equivalent Moncada > Swanson Kopech > Maitan Basabe = Acuna Diaz

My ideal Atlanta package - Maitan, Allard, Acuna and Riley. There's no Moncada or Kopech in that group, so I have no qualms asking for their 3, 4, 8 and 13 prospects in their system.

#MakeTheSoxDrakeAgain

Glad US won, but Kinsler better not be celebrating.

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 21, 2017 -> 08:41 PM) Okay Q after tonight's start would love to see us redraft Montas de Oca Didn't watch it but that stat line doesn't scream out at me - thoughts?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 07:08 PM) This racist "play the right way" s*** is the worst. Is Brian McCann team captain? http://deadsp.in/NqCpZWe UNWRITTEN RULES!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 01:49 PM) They have a lot of positional talent beyond the top guys too. Fisher, Reed, Davis, and Sierra are guys that stand out to me as well. With no Giolito/Moncada level headliner, I'd say we'd need to get Martes, Tucker, Fisher +

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 20, 2017 -> 02:32 PM) Truth being told, bringing Danks back wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Let him suck up innings and teach some of these kids how to act like a big leaguer. I know his career took a big downward turn after the shoulder surgery, but he was the consummate professional. He took his turn every five days, he took ownership of his body of work, he didn't try to blame someone else for his downfall, and he never caused any problems while he was here. "Minor league pitching instructor"

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 20, 2017 -> 07:21 PM) Reminder: the Sitting President is out campaigning. No Supreme Court nominee for this reason.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 20, 2017 -> 11:46 AM) What's the point of carrying both Leury and Yolmer? Aren't they redundant? Is it just because both are out of options? Leury can also be a backup OF. If Leury comes even remotely close to his AAA batting line, he'd be a backup like Saladino, but with CF ability. Sanchez, I just don't see it at this point. His only hope of sticking is Frazier getting moved and Saladino becoming the full-time 3B.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 20, 2017 -> 11:25 AM) Gonzalez for Devers seems fair. We'll throw in Frazier to upgrade to Benintendi.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 20, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) I still don't understand his Hillary emails press conference. It just doesn't fit Chaffetz.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 19, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) I've been reading the recent Fangraphs articles about the top prospects and future values ( http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-top-100-prospects/ and http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valuing-the...-100-prospects/ ) and I am convinced that when the Sox do trade Quintana that obtaining position player prospects is very important. The thing I get from these articles is that positional player talent is more valuable and easier to predict upside than pitchers because pitchers get injured more and low upside pitching is more valuable than low upside hitters. The Sox have received mostly high end pitchers in the Sale and Eaton trades and while that is very good it appears organization are aware that pitching is more of a crap shoot than hitters. This appears to be the difficulty with trading with the Yankees or Astros because they likely aren't budging on positional player talent because they are more predictable and, also, in some cases , plan to replace older players . The best bet at the trade deadline appears to lie with either the Yankees or Astro's contending but still needing a starting pitcher to make them World Series candidates. This is not news of course. But it also appears to me that even though a trade with the Cubs would seem unlikely ,they have to be considered among the teams that may end up needing starting pitching help and also have good position talent. Lackey is likely to regress sooner rather than later. Lester isn't getting any younger though is very consistently good . Arrieta showed a few cracks in the armor and Hendricks seemingly came out of nowhere to dominate. They just can't be as good as they were last year. All it will take is a likely Lackey regression, 5th starter problems and some regression from their excellence of 2016 and 1 injury . Unfortunately with their defense a lot of regression from anyone besides Lackey may not be likely. A heavy workload from the last season could also effect them. But since the baseball gods are fickle and with the Cubs having some high end positional talent it would behoove the Sox to consider trading with the Cubs if the situation warrants. Hahn & Co. cannot afford to overlook the Cubs just because they compete in the same city with them. With the Cubs, my price starts with Baez + Jiminez, if Baez/Zobrist are bouncing around the diamond.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Mar 19, 2017 -> 06:28 PM) .317/.391/.683 in the spring But... Bust...

QUOTE (Jake @ Mar 19, 2017 -> 02:47 PM) I can't imagine any other team is as harmed by non-participation as Team USA. In particular, our pitching staff seems bafflingly bad. Here are non-participating Americans listed by 2016 WAR: 1. Clayton Kershaw 2. Noah Syndergaard 3. Max Scherzer 4. Rick Porcello 5. Justin Verlander 6. Chris Sale 7. Corey Kluber 8. Madison Bumgarner 9. David Price 10. Kyle Hendricks 11. Jon Lester 12. Jake Arrieta 13. Jon Gray and then you finally get to the first American WBC participant, Stroman. And then we can look at relievers specifically: We do have the best, Andrew Miller. Yay! And then... 1. Addison Reed (had to double take at that one) 2. Zach Britton 3. Tyler Thornburg 4. Will Harris 5. Mark Melancon and then we get to Nate Jones and after that, about 10 more until you get to Luke Gregerson. Of course the point isn't that 2016 WAR should be the main criterion for selection, but we're just not anywhere close to assembling our best. And let's think about some of the position players missing: 1. Mike Trout 2. Kris Bryant 3. Mookie Betts 4. Josh Donaldson 5. Corey Seager 6. Adam Eaton 7. Brian Dozier and then Ian Kinsler and Brandon Crawford, a few spots and you get Murphy and Arenado. The outfield stands out, though—why does Team USA have Christian Yelich batting 3rd? McCutchen probably shouldn't be getting the time, but I understand how some may not be inclined to penalize him as much for last year when he had been so sensational for years beforehand. Either way, I find it galling that the US has the world's two best players (Trout and Kershaw) and neither is out there. They have their reasons that are perfectly rational, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. It's also bad for the tournament. On one hand, nobody will like it around the world if the US wins every time...it has to be competitive. But few would deny that the US has the most talent in the world, so it delegitimizes the tournament if Team USA does poorly each time, as it has pre-2017. This is really one of the more frustrating things about it. I understand why players don't go, but it would be amazing to actually put out the top teams.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) Anytime you get a Miguel Cabrera comparison, you have my attention. Avi?