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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 15, 2013 -> 11:52 AM) I'd probably do some of both. The pen right now is: Reed Jones Veal Troncoso Purcey Axelrod Lindstrom I'd say that for next year, Reed, Jones, and Veal are likely candidates. Axelrod has a role as the last guy/long guy out until we find someone better. I'd wager Daniel Webb is up next year. That's 5 guys, one of which is a lefty, leaving 2 open spots as written. Don't know why you'd pencil in Purcey or Troncoso next year unless you're shooting for the #1 pick. Santos Rodriguez could be a possible lefty contributor next year if they want to bring him up. That still leaves at least 1 spot for a FA signing, maybe more if they want to sign a lefty or another righty instead of Webb or Santos L. Rodriguez. Leesman could be a decent long man.

Why are the Sox and Royals combining announcers?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 04:40 PM) I 100% believe your opinion is dead wrong and that Konerko and Keppinger have been the biggest reasons, if you want to single out individual players. I am going to prove you wrong too (because those are 20 isolated plays, odds are incredibly small that more than one directly affected the outcome of the game, but it's certainly possible) I got about halfway through all his errors and found about 3 games where his error "contributed greatly," but this is not including plays where he gets to balls that normally would have been runs. This is also not including other players who have made errors, and is also not including other guys failing in spots where they should succeed. I'd be unfairly isolating the 20 very poor plays Alexei Ramirez has made this season. No, they have not been good for the Sox, but nobody is perfect. The overall numbers say otherwise and suggest that he's been one of the most valuable players on the team. More range = more errors More range = more run saving plays But the new members all agreed with Greg "The Pied Piper" 775.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 19, 2013 -> 09:32 PM) Then why is this coming up now? If he's supposed to pull everything and that's the smart approach, and the one recommended by hitting coaches, then why change now ... after the Sox are 30 games out of first place or whatever they are? Cause Greg Walker preached lift and pull and Dunn's approach worked for a goddamn decade.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 19, 2013 -> 11:31 AM) Another newcomer agrees with greg. I'm like the Pied Piper. I attract the people who don't normally speak their voice. I'm laughing so hard right now. Greg is the voice oc the oppressed!

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 18, 2013 -> 11:41 PM) I actually find Ryan Braun more detestable than A-Rod. Bruan is a steaming pile of malicious s***. A-Rod is a blundering, blustering narcissist, trapped by his own neurosis. Neither is particularly sympathetic but at least A-Rod's s***tiness can be viewed on the surface, Braun is rotten to the core but hides behind those big doe eyes. f***er. THIS. THIS 1000 TIMES.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 18, 2013 -> 11:22 PM) I notice more of the board newcomers or those who don't post a lot tend to agree with my controversial stance. Let's get a survey of these good people.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Aug 18, 2013 -> 09:43 PM) I'm not sure what took so long for a player to do this. I really lost a lot of respect for Robin Ventura when we had none of our pitchers take this action during ARods return series. Just bean the bum with a 95+ mph fastball at least once per game and he'll disappear from the sport soon enough. Players in the "golden era" of the sport had a way of self police-ing each other and the game has seemed to lose that over the years. ...and this would prove what? That A-Rod is the biggest named cheater since Bonds in a league full of cheaters? QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Aug 18, 2013 -> 09:53 PM) I'd be more persuaded by this if the Red Sox didn't have cheaters on their team when they won their WS championships and PED users weren't incredibly prevalent. This. Half the people in baseball criticizing A-Rod have gained something from PEDs, direct or indirectly.

Option C: Everyone does well, then Axelrod comes in to blow it.

Definitely working during the draft,

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 18, 2013 -> 11:48 AM) The Rios return is the return they should expect for Lo Mo. Not a very good young starting pitcher. Carlos Sanchez and maybe Mitchell for LoMo?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 18, 2013 -> 11:30 AM) We should all definitely want the Sox to lose, but not at the expense of development. This season is a sunk cost in terms of winning, but some good can still come of it if the young guys can continue to learn and start connecting the dots. I'd love to get the #2 pick, but if a guy like Garcia or Viciedo goes on a tear and prevents that from happening I'll be even happier. Hopefully the bullpen and poor fundamentals will lose us a lot of games going forward though. Axelrod to the rescue. I don't remember who's sig says "half our roster is designed to kill the other half's rallies," but it was so perfectly true.

Here is why you should pull for the Sox to bring in Axe to kill games. The Sox will lose 90+ games. It's better for them to lose 100 and get Rodon than lose 95 and get the 3rd pick. Why? Scouting for baseball is getting better and better with the improvement of technology. #1 picks are becoming more and more of a sure thing (Stras, Harper, Cole). 100% accurate? No. More accurate than even 6 years ago (Tim Beckham)? Yes. The Sox are in a position to rebuild and rebuild fast. They have an ace, they have a #2, and a #3 already in place. If Danks/Rienzo/Johnson/Leesman can be #4's and #5's, the the rotation is actually set. They have Reed, Jones, and Webb to build the pen around. Maybe even Petricka and Leesman. They have a good bats for next year in Alexei, De Aza, Garcia, and Dunn in place. Maybe Gordon has really figured it out, Conor, Phegley, and Viciedo can all improve. Maybe L. Garcia makes Alexei expendable. The Sox have a lot of cash to spend on FAs like Abreu, Morales, and McCann. Hell, if they clear Dunn they can even make a run at Ellsbury. So I'd rather the Sox lose 5 more games and get a talent like Rodon in the system than five meaningless wins because their stay at the bottom of the league may be very, very short lived.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 18, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) Which is why I really believe we see Quintana or Santiago dealt this off season for a power hitting 3B of some kind. If I have to deal one of them, it'd be Santiago. I'd still like to try and play the FA market and make a splash or two. Signing Morales/Abreu and McCann would make a 3B like Gillaspie more plausible.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 08:54 PM) How does the return for Santos (who actually was a closer for us) look? You gotta take every trade with hindsight. I may have been Sergio's biggest supporter. I was thinking about buy his shirt-jersey before he got traded. And Nestor sucks. Though with Sergio's shoulder falling apart, it seems the only regret is not trading him for something better. But it doesn't make Webb or Jaye look like any worse returns for a guy we had for two months. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 11:28 PM) Can we trade him for a hitter? I love how we can develop pitchers, but not a hitter to save our life.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 05:43 PM) I'm probably Webb's biggest fan (liked him since his draft year and was my sleeper pick for two years) but I find it funny people are adamant on trading Reed who is only six months older than Webb, has major league experience and is cost controlled. Reed's been a closer for years. No doubt in my mind he's good enough and has the mindset (who knows with Webb). The return for Frasor still looks pretty awesome.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 04:49 PM) You can now say that the entire pitching staff has been through the Sox system minus Purcey and Lindstrom. Possibly Quintana? I still say Q counts. His jump was crazy.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 12:29 PM) He's represented by Praver Shapiro Sports Management, twitter reports (Jeff Passan). Googol search shows they also rep Carlos Marmol, Zambrano and Wandy Rodriguez. based in Miami Reinsdorf better use those Jewish connections.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 16, 2013 -> 01:22 PM) I cussed when I saw the Sox lost in a walk-off. Painful, embarrassing season in all aspects of being a fan to those of us who don't care about the draft. QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 16, 2013 -> 01:32 PM) Cause I love the team and follow its fortunes every day. And want them to be forever bottom feeders?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 09:51 AM) First base is terrible, correct there Beckham has negative range, but he's never shown well in advanced defensive metrics. There's been nothing good at 2B. Alexei always shows well, but errors are hurting him badly this year. Gillaspie is fair defensively, ever so slightly above average. Rios has actually shown a lack of range but has made up for it with his arm. De Aza has done nothing good in CF this year. Neither has Danks. Wise and Tekotte were decent. Viciedo has shown no range, but nobody should be running on him anymore. De Aza shows good range and a mediocre arm. Overall, fairly accurate. I really don't mind Beckham, but I still do not believe he would make for a good everyday shortstop. I think it's amazing how many defensive woes would be elminated with a true CFer. CF and LF are the two weakest spots, and De Aza would be just fine in LF. I've never understood why advanced metrics dislike Gordon.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 16, 2013 -> 01:07 PM) Ouch. You think it's fair calling Paulie a "bum?" It was tongue in cheek because you call any player that is unclaimed an overpaid bum. But now that Paulie is, is he a bum? Or is he still going to get that 2 year deal? And trust me, he's one my three childhood baseball idols (Frank and Mark being the other two), but he's not that good anymore unless his back magically heals at 39 years old.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 15, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) Could be. The bent knees are obvious, however. Thing is, we're not going to win anything until the players improve their on base percentage. Big Hurt somehow hit for power and also walked a lot. He did that by being one of the greatest hitters of all time.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 15, 2013 -> 08:25 AM) I would bet about anything that he did. Does that mean he's an overpaid bum?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 15, 2013 -> 01:22 AM) I don't know how anybody could say a negative word about Ozzie right now after watching Robin manage this team. Worst fundamental baseball team I can ever remember and he shares in that. Just cause one sucks doesn't mean the other didn't (at the end of his tenure)

Actually somewhat surprised by this.