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QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 05:41 PM) No way Lester takes close to 6/$130 million. Baseball inflation being what it is, 5/120 million for Shark is probably right. Which is why prospects, nay ML ready prospects with high floors, are valuable commodities. I don't understand the logic of trading for players who are dued for a huge pay raise, in the offseason, when there are free agents out there you can sign without giving up quality assets. We can have this discussion again when Scherzer Lester and Shark all get their new contracts.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 05:41 PM) 5/120 is $20, not $25, a year. Is it really?

5 /$120 for Shark is too much. $25 mil is ace money, and you are talking about a guy some of you are saying isn't better than Q. Essentially, we'd be paying him 6/$130 for the next 6 years. That would be close to what Lester gets, and Scherzer would end up getting around 7/$175 this year. I'd much rather have a superior pitcher for a little bit more without giving up Semien and a cost controlled young pitcher like Bassitt. I was thrilled when the initial report last night was Semien, Thompson, and Beck being dealt. Was definitely upset to see Bassitt go. Losing Ravelo hurts, though getting Ynoa back sweetens the deal. After hearing a suggested extension figure now, this deal now becomes less and less of a steal for us and may actually be great value for the A's.

I was high on him than most people so I hope he does well also. Really hope it was Thompson and Beck instead of him, but regardless, the trade definitely makes us better this year.

Don't look now, the Cavs has now won 7 in a row and has kept opponents under 90 points 5 of those 7 games.

If Hahn moves can be visualized by him laying his dick and balls in front of everyone in the winters meeting, is Billy Beane getting screwed in the ass by his owner somewhere in San Diego?

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 01:46 AM) This is important to remember. Last year Erik Johnson was THE guy we were counting on, now he's selling burnt CD-R's of Wilson Phillips albums out of a van in Barstow CA. Bassitt was this year's guy. I'd put good money on Beck being next year's guy. The Sox wised up to these late season revelations and are gonna start selling high on them. Imagine if we sent Johnson instead of Santiago for Eaton last year? We would've hated it then, but been happier now. I have a feelifeeling this plays out very similarly. Also, the A's rotation is still loaded beyond capacity so we'll probably see Bassitt in the pen for Oakland. I'd hate it too if it was Erik Johnson tossed into the deal instead of Bassitt, had he not fallen off the face of the earth. But he did, and he doesn't have the same value as he did before. Bassitt didn't have that breakdown, he's valuable until proven otherwise. Beck and Bassitt are very different pitchers, check scouting reports. Just because Bassitt accomplished something does not mean Beck would be able to. I wouldn't sweat losing a guy who couldn't strikeout more than 5 batters per 9 innings in AA.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 01:36 AM) You could say the same thing about Noesi, Beck or Erik Johnson. To produce those results consistently is the question, and with all the pressure of facing the Angels, Mariners and Rangers/Astros teams with a ton of young talent. There's a razor-thin line between Phil Humber/Lucas Harrell and being out of baseball. LOL. Didn't you just say it's so easy to pitch in Oakland that Kazmir, Chavez, Straily could look like #3 starters? Noesi, maybe. Don't know how many years of team control he has. Bassitt flashed more promise than Beck thus far. EJ is a disaster. He would have to work his way back up to the majors next year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 01:21 AM) Anyone can LOOK like a #3 starter in Oakland...even Kazmir, Jessie Chavez, Straily and Millone. Thanks to WAR, FIP and SIERA, you could tell if that pitcher is a #3 on other teams. Personally, I think Bassitt has a chance to be a good #4/5 starter on any team. Take into account that he will be dirt cheap the next 4 years or so, it makes the deal less attractive. I'd still do it because we are in all in mode though.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 01:06 AM) In a year we will be thinking of Chris Beck the exact same way we are thinking of Bassitt now. BY THE WAY WE SORTA ADDED A COUPLE STUD PITCHERS. If Beck can shut down the Detroit Tigers and dominate AFL like Bassitt did, then I agree with you.

On Bassitt vs Beck and Thompson - I will take the surest thing and also the one with the most potential. Bassitt easily. Let's see who the third guy is. I don't think it's a big name and I will go out on a limp and say Jordan Guerrero.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 12:59 AM) So it's just Bassitt + Semien? That's better than Semien, Trayce and Beck! Not really, Bassitt has more value than both Thompson and Beck

Bassitt? f***KKKKKKK

Revisiting this. Sox paid expected value for LaRoche and slightly underpaid for Robertson. Not bad.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 11:51 PM) I should hate all this money and commitcommitment but RICK HAHN JUST DROPPED HIS BALLS ON THE TABLE AND THEY ARE QUITE LARGE. Tomorrow Sox will announce the surprise signing of Jon Lester. Hahn then stood up on a table at the meeting, pulls down his pants jizzes on everyone's face. Theo and Jed gets the biggest load.

QUOTE (Real @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 12:07 AM) can someone post an update to our payroll now after Shark+Robertson additions Around $100 mil now.

I really like Seimen and hate to see him go. But Thompson and Beck are really 11-20 guys in the system, so I think overall this is still a good trade

$46 not $40, still not bad, just glad we filled the biggest need a need with an elite option. Payroll currently at around $92 mil (not counting $9.5 due to Shark in arb if we get him). If we get rid of Viciedo, we might still be able to get Melky for $14 AAV.

Upton is a sexy name and acquiring him would make many fans "dream again" as KW said. But I am afraid that he might walk after next year, and we are only left with 2 more years of Chris Johnson. And I would be shocked if Anderson isn't part of the deal, even with the discount that is taking on Johnson. I, too, would much prefer Kemp over Upton. If we can swap Danks for Kemp and a cost controlled bullpen arm, heck I wouldn't mind if Dodgers don't send along any money (also JR's wallet haha)

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 11:10 PM) No one ever said Johnson was worth anything, but maybe it allows the Sox to get Upton without giving up as significant pieces. On one hand he's hit close to .400 against lefties the past 2 years, on the other hand, he's pretty much useless against right handers. He's essentially the right handed version of Conor Gillaspie, but with a $23 million contract. Unless they lower Upton's price by a good amount, that's a steep price to pay for a bench player.

Packaging as in making someone take his dead weight contract. That dude provides no value at all.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 10:42 PM) http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/payroll/ It does not account for arb cases, which amounts to $10 mil, and pre arb guys, which is another $6 mil. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CH...-salaries.shtml BR has much more in depth info.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 10:35 PM) I believe we are at 72 million. Could be wrong though QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 10:35 PM) More like 65. $59 in committed salary, $10 mil in arb cases, $5 mil owed to Kepp and Paulino buyout. ~10 or so pre-arb guys costing $600K each. Konerko also gets paid $1 mil annually from now to 2020. We do not have as much to spend as you guys think without trading Tank or Danks.

QUOTE (staxx @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 10:28 PM) Shark then go sign Melky + Robertson. /offseason We're already at $80+ million payroll. $30 mil for Melky + Robertson and ~$10 mil for Shark in arb pushes us above $120 mil. Not happening.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 09:50 PM) Anderson will be in it. Please. Sox aren't that desperate.