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QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 10:29 PM) He's not going to know how good they are before he has to make a decision. Also, none of those guys were superstars as rookies. It's going to be 2 more years off his career before those guys are real difference makers even in the best case scenario, probably more. Kyrie and Love weren't enough to make him commit, so downgrading at PG and adding a role player aren't likely to swing things much. Because we did not know those 3 guys were going to be good and 90% of the league didn't pick them to win ROY. Just as we do not know Markelle Fultz is the most NBA ready rookie this year. QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 10:31 PM) Lonzo, Ingram (pretty big one to skip) and Randle are in the league already. That's a big difference. He's also likely not going alone. It's obviously a concern for the Cavs, otherwise Kyrie wouldn't have been so anxious to get out of there. What? That's not the story. And how many years of Lebron's career will it take off for Lonzo/Ingram to be real difference makers on a championship team? I purposely did not mention Ingram because he looked BAD last year, and he's also a bad fit on the floor at the same time as Lebron.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 10:20 PM) Moving Thompson or Smith won't exactly be easy. A lot fewer teams have room for them now that the cap spike has passed. They also don't have a ton of assets to use as sweeteners. Also, LOL at tampering charges mattering. The Lakers will probably get fined, MAYBE lose a draft pick after the fact. Every team does it every off-season and it's extremely difficult to prove. You said Lebron don't have patience to wait for young guys to develop but he would go to LA to play in a much tougher conference with Lonzo/Randle and whoever else they could fit under cap?

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 09:50 PM) They won the East last year with a 25 year old stud PG, and yet here we are. If they don't beat GS, it's not going to change anything. By the time that pick is good enough to move the needle, he's going to be 35. I said the chance of him staying is greater after this trade than before. Much of it depends how ready are the top 5 guys in the draft. If they show that they could come in year 1 and play like a rookie KD, Towns or Davis, add that to IT, Love, and Crowder, it's a more convincing case for Lebron to stay.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 09:45 PM) IT is absolutely not signing a team friendly deal. Lebron is 100% gone to a super team in LA I like how you speak with a absolute certainty about the future. What are you doing on a forum then? IT does not in fact have to sign a team friendly deal, Cavs can afford him on any deal by moving Thompson or JR. But it was more of a suggestion since he gets to stay with a contender. And if you think Lebron is "100%" going to LA you're wrong. League is already onto them for tampering with George and possibly Lebron. And who exactly is on that LA super team? Lonzo and Lavar? Not to mention leaving East for West is just dumb.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 09:12 PM) Lebron isn't going to stay because of a guy that might be good in 3 years. That's why they traded Wiggins almost instantly. But he would consider staying if they could win the East AND get the first or second pick. Remember, they don't have to give up anything to get the pick, they could still have keep IT (who could re-sign on a friendly deal) and Crowder beyond 2018 and the pick is just a bonus.

I was flipping channels so didn't see the homeruns. But he was leaving a lot of pitches up, not surprised he got tag for 3 long ones.

The more I think about this trade, the more ridiculous it sounds. 1. This trade helps Cavs maintain its advantage over Celtics in 2018. IT + Crowder > Kyrie 2. This trade gives Cavs a chance at a superstar to play next to Lebron, and may ultimately convince him to stay past this year. Celtics basically gave their biggest roadblock a chance to remain relevant. Had they let Kyrie go elsewhere and Cavs trades him for whatever they could get, Lebron most likely leaves, and Cavs go back to rock bottom. 3. Cavs had no leverage, they had to trade Kyrie, yet Celtics were dumb enough to give them more value in return. 4. Lose out on Butler and George so you could pay an arm and leg more for Kyrie, just dumb. I was giving Ainge the benefit of the doubt for holding onto his picks, but turns out he's just a f***ing idiot.

That's an awful f***ing trade. Major fail since he wouldn't give anywhere close to that for Jimmy, who is undoubtedly a better 2 way player.

Regardless of the slot the Sox will pick from or the prospects they have acquired, I would like to see the Sox start showing success in scouting and developing young position talents, that is the only way to have a perennial top farm like the Braves have. Of all the positional prospects, Zavala is the only one who took a big step forward, same for Delmonico (but we will see how much he will regress, his AAA stats don't scream MLB starter). Adolfo is finally healthy, but with him the glass is half full. There is not much else to show for from LatAM (even on the pitching side). Every other positional prospect has been disappointing.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 06:49 PM) Luis Martinez already has 4 K's in 3 IP (1 H). Definitely my favorite sleeper for next season. And Gavin Sheets literally just went yard. 2 run shot. Was my sleeper 2 years ago, but developing very slowly and doesn't have great stuff. Been at the same level for two and a half years now.

Braun stole the show, but what an anticlimactic finish.

Pretty sure AJ just botched that pinfall attempt and immediately turned it into a styles clash. That man is amazing.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 10:12 AM) Weekend games have been fairly boring recently Mostly because the position players at Kanny are dropping some stinkers.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 19, 2017 -> 09:44 PM) NXT Takeover's have to be the most consistent thing in wrestling history. They're incapable of having a bad one. And damn, I knew Cole was coming but that was a perfect way to debut him. Loved it. Yep, it's almost to a point where I hate to see a guy promoted to the main roster. Speaking of promotion, AOP and Glorious will almost certainly be promoted after what happened at the end of their matches.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Aug 19, 2017 -> 12:03 PM) Not gonna lie guys, I think the Sox are gonna score some runs next year. This is exciting to think about right now because the offense is hitting, but what I think is so unique about this bunch is they have a good balance of different tools they can choose from. They have the ability to hit homeruns, but they also have speed and quite a bit of contact guys. They also have a good mix of righties and lefties. Renteria can do a lot with this bunch. Check out this potential starting lineup... 1. Leury Garcia LF 2. Moncada .....2B 3. Abreu .........1B/DH 4. Avi .............RF 5. Delmonico....DH/1B (He can learn 1B) 6. Davidson......3B 7. Anderson......SS 8. Smith/Omar...C 9. Engel............CF Lots of balance in that lineup. If we can get August 2017 Tim Anderson to play for 3-4 months out of the year, and if all those players put up offensive numbers like they have been to go along with the tools they are known for, then this team will be fun to watch, even if the bullpen blows all the games. Delmonico is also still a big question mark, but I'm let's ride that horse as far as it will take us. He is hitting like a 3-5 hitter right now. Power lefty bat? Yes please!! Bench= Yolmer (I see him platooning quite often with Davidson), Smith/Omar, Outfielder (Hansen?), and Saladino. What are your thoughts? Not really. Many of these guys are overperforming, so you want that to continue and basically everyone else to hit their ceiling? That's just not going to happen. It's likely one of the worst offense in the league, which is fine.

Scherzer to DL. Gonzalez would fill in nicely for him. Maybe Robles +?

That Bham team suddenly became fun to watch.

QUOTE (kingranch @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) safest as in becoming a star MLB player? safest as becoming average player? How would you rank Kopech? Safe as in a starting pitcher? Or just as a solid pitcher (relief or starter)? I would say with the adjustments he has made in the second half that he will be a pretty good pitcher. Now whether he is a starter or shut down pitcher in bullpen I am not sure Safest as in the highest floor, and I think his floor is league average RF, obviously it's a lot higher if his hitting catches up to his power. Kopech is having a great stretch no doubt, but I like to see him keep this up for a bit longer before I fully by into it. If he can sustain his improved control, his floor would be a solid mid rotation starter. And what's separating his floor and ceiling is command of his pitches.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 11:39 AM) I wouldn't put Eloy above Moncada. A corner outfielder with average speed and likely average at best defense vs. a middle infielder with 5 tools? I think Eloy will be a beast at the plate but Moncada just has the capability to provide value in so many other ways. I've been saying it for a while, I think Eloy is he safest prospect in this organization. I have a hard time seeing him not put up Nelson Cruz (the younger version) type numbers. While Moncada has a spacious ceiling and could be a Robbie Cano or Tim Raines, he's just as likely to be come a Jurrickson Profar or Byron Buxton. I would be Eloy over Moncada in my list.

Great night for Hansen, Gio and Eloy last night, and also first time in a LONG time that all teams won the organization.. Wait no sorry, that bum Petricka.

Moncada coming into today has a 35% K rate and 57% GB%. That number has only increased.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 08:59 AM) Let me put it this way. would you rather have Tony Kemp and a million dollars, or nothing? THAT is really the choice here (assuming the PTBNL thing is right?} We get Kemp and salary relief, removal of a decent arm for tanking advantage, and also another feather in cap for Coop.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 01:13 AM) You lied about the premise of my post in order to create a straw man argument because you just had to troll a bit. I stated that Kemp, at best, is very similar to a player we already have - Leury Garcia, who may or may not be part of the future plans of the White Sox beyond 2018. You stated that Kemp is an average or above average player? On what basis? Kemp is 25 yrs old (about a year younger than Leury and an inch shorter at 5'6") Unlike Leury, Kemp has limited major league experience posting a .211 batting average and 1 HR in 123 AB . I was actually pretty generous in comparing him to Leury. My "post and premise" was ridiculous? OK have fun trolling. Just to be clear, would you rather have Tyler Clippard, or Tony Kemp, a guy who's at best a "3.5 WAR player in a full season with good defensive versatility", and also cost controlled? And what would you have said about the best case scenario for Chris Taylor before 2017?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 08:02 PM) I'm not trying to argue, just thinking out loud. I wonder if incessant losing affects some young guys negatively, like perhaps TA or even a Moncada. Let's say you are a bulldog so to speak and really love competing and getting hits for the greater good of the ol team. The fact your at bats in theory in August and September mean nothing ... could that affect 'some' prospects negatively. In other words, s*** try to hit it out every time since really each at bat means nothing. Probably doesn't matter at all. Each hitter probably wants to get a hit just cause he wants to personally succeed, but when a team is this bad I know it'd be easy to just go take ones hacks rather than maybe work the count, etc., like u might do if the games meant something. Don't take this as a negative post. It's just a thought that occurred to me in reading your post. You were making a good point in that you can see what a player is made of during a losing season. I was just wondering if my scenario could occur as well. A hitter saying, "s*** i might get lucky and hit 3-4 homers tonight if i go up there hacking.' Rather than trying to do the little things like whack a single with a two strike count and nobody on base trying to get a rally going when down 8-0. It may, it may not. But I won't worry too much about it. Look at teams like Astros, Cubs, Diamondbacks, and Rockies. They have endured a bunch of losing seasons before enjoying winning seasons with the same core group of players. As long as the young players are getting developmental experience, and giving their best effort and competing every game, we should be satisfied. I think we all know you like to win every game, even in a meaningless season. But if losing now means we can win more later on when it matters more, I pick losing now 10/10.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Aug 13, 2017 -> 09:31 AM) Meh, let Kopech spend the '18 season in Charlotte to continue building up his innings. If all goes well I can see calling him up next September to work out of the pen and then pencil him into the rotation to start the '19 season. Why let him waste the mileage of his arm building up innings in the minors if he's proven ready for MLB. The strategy should be to promote him when he's ready, and then let him get challenged at the MLB level and make adjustments. It may be in June, July or August of next year, not necessarily waiting for a September callup to the pen. He should be ready for a 150-160 inning season next year if all goes well.