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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 08:59 AM) Let me put it this way. would you rather have Tony Kemp and a million dollars, or nothing? THAT is really the choice here (assuming the PTBNL thing is right?} We get Kemp and salary relief, removal of a decent arm for tanking advantage, and also another feather in cap for Coop.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 01:13 AM) You lied about the premise of my post in order to create a straw man argument because you just had to troll a bit. I stated that Kemp, at best, is very similar to a player we already have - Leury Garcia, who may or may not be part of the future plans of the White Sox beyond 2018. You stated that Kemp is an average or above average player? On what basis? Kemp is 25 yrs old (about a year younger than Leury and an inch shorter at 5'6") Unlike Leury, Kemp has limited major league experience posting a .211 batting average and 1 HR in 123 AB . I was actually pretty generous in comparing him to Leury. My "post and premise" was ridiculous? OK have fun trolling. Just to be clear, would you rather have Tyler Clippard, or Tony Kemp, a guy who's at best a "3.5 WAR player in a full season with good defensive versatility", and also cost controlled? And what would you have said about the best case scenario for Chris Taylor before 2017?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 08:02 PM) I'm not trying to argue, just thinking out loud. I wonder if incessant losing affects some young guys negatively, like perhaps TA or even a Moncada. Let's say you are a bulldog so to speak and really love competing and getting hits for the greater good of the ol team. The fact your at bats in theory in August and September mean nothing ... could that affect 'some' prospects negatively. In other words, s*** try to hit it out every time since really each at bat means nothing. Probably doesn't matter at all. Each hitter probably wants to get a hit just cause he wants to personally succeed, but when a team is this bad I know it'd be easy to just go take ones hacks rather than maybe work the count, etc., like u might do if the games meant something. Don't take this as a negative post. It's just a thought that occurred to me in reading your post. You were making a good point in that you can see what a player is made of during a losing season. I was just wondering if my scenario could occur as well. A hitter saying, "s*** i might get lucky and hit 3-4 homers tonight if i go up there hacking.' Rather than trying to do the little things like whack a single with a two strike count and nobody on base trying to get a rally going when down 8-0. It may, it may not. But I won't worry too much about it. Look at teams like Astros, Cubs, Diamondbacks, and Rockies. They have endured a bunch of losing seasons before enjoying winning seasons with the same core group of players. As long as the young players are getting developmental experience, and giving their best effort and competing every game, we should be satisfied. I think we all know you like to win every game, even in a meaningless season. But if losing now means we can win more later on when it matters more, I pick losing now 10/10.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Aug 13, 2017 -> 09:31 AM) Meh, let Kopech spend the '18 season in Charlotte to continue building up his innings. If all goes well I can see calling him up next September to work out of the pen and then pencil him into the rotation to start the '19 season. Why let him waste the mileage of his arm building up innings in the minors if he's proven ready for MLB. The strategy should be to promote him when he's ready, and then let him get challenged at the MLB level and make adjustments. It may be in June, July or August of next year, not necessarily waiting for a September callup to the pen. He should be ready for a 150-160 inning season next year if all goes well.

They should promote Eloy and Sebastian after today, and bring Call back up to High A.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Aug 11, 2017 -> 04:34 PM) Yeah! Something like either of those would work. Or something that gives less weight to a recently graduated prospect, so he still factors into the ranking but not as heavily as players in the minors. I just don't like the binary nature of today you are a "prospect" but after your next at bat tomorrow you are not. In the end, it's all just meaningless labels I guess. Then teams like Astros (Bregman, Correa, McCullers) and Yankees (Judge, Sanchez, Severino) would have us beat. Let's not pretend that the Sox farm system actually produce a lot of quality starters in recent years.

It could really go either way depending on who you ask. Subjectively, the Braves may have a slight edge due to most of their top guys being 20 years or younger and still have a lot of growth left. I think it's hard not to admire what they have done with their players from a developmental stand point. While we have acquired 70% of our top prospects, while the Braves have homegrown most of theirs, taking a bunch of high schoolers in early rounds of Rule 4, making splash on 16/17 year olds in the LatAM market, send them to rookie ball for a year, Low A ball for another year, then skipping High A and going straight to Double A. Yet their prospects haven't looked outmatched but rather gets better at each level. It's hard not to envy how stupid good their minor league development and scouting is.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 11, 2017 -> 01:00 PM) Tell him to stay away from Ian Hamilton. LOL

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 11, 2017 -> 10:29 AM) I don't think Stephens deserves to be promoted yet. The peripherals are good not great (K rate way down) and he only has 11 AA starts to his name. If anyone deserves to be promoted it's Jordan Guerrero, who has been awesome this year and has 40+ AA starts. I dont disagree that Guerrero is ready for AAA, in the perfect world we cut bait with Volstad and promote both. But for Stephens, there isn't much left to do in AA. He was a 4 year starter at Rice (lost some time due to injury) and was viewed as a quick riser because he was more polished than raw. He's not someone you have to pitch 150 innings at a level before promoting him. Speaking of peripherals he may never have great peripherals in the upper minors because he's a BOR type pitcher, not going to miss a ton of bats.

Interestingly enough Stephens and Hansen also scheduled to start tonight. I am mildly surprised neither of them are getting promoted.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 10, 2017 -> 10:44 PM) I've cited Beltre in the past. Have no idea why he stayed in DSL that long. If he had any kind of power as a 3B prospect, he'd be up there. Sox have had him play some 2B too recently. Hopefully the frame fills out a bit more. I've also followed ex-DSL guys like Beltre, Feliz, and Perez for a few years now. All good bats but not haven't developed any power yet. With Beltre, if he has a good glove, he could be a Carlos Sanchez type player.

Outside of the top prospects, it's good to see Bernardo Flores settling down after a rough start at High A. With a strong finish to the year, maybe he joins Hansen and Dunning to start the year at AA next season? Trey M is quietly creeping back up to .240. Still young enough to be relevant.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Aug 10, 2017 -> 10:57 AM) Moncada is putting up quality at bats and is trending in the right direction. He is also blazing fast on the basepaths. I'd like to see them turn him loose and start racking up stolen bases. Prepare to be disappointed. SB attempts around the league are at an all time low, pitchers and catchers have better arm than ever. Homeruns are at an all time high and that's the main focus of many players, even from the traditional non-power positions. Sox as a team also do not run a lot. We have guys like Anderson, Leury, Engel, and even Saladino who stole more 40 bags in a minor league season, but really were not asked to run a lot.

That Charlotte lineup would have been a fun one in 2014. Asche, Liriano, Gillaspie, and Peterson.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 9, 2017 -> 03:49 PM) Corey's Brother. My favorite so far.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Aug 9, 2017 -> 09:16 AM) I'm not sure Jimenez has a potential 70 hit tool. Power? Absolutely, but most scouts seem to think Jimenez will be an above average hitter in the 55/60 grade realm. 70 hit and 70 power = unreal I could see Jimenez being a similar player to Giancarlo Stanton at ceiling, which is a very good player. That's why I said potential, his hit tool has definitely improved since signing. If you look at his preseason scouting, some sites actually pegged him as 60 hit tool after hitting .330 last year. Someone posted on this forum after the trade that Jimenez has 70 hit tool potential (I did not bother checking the source), I don't think that's entirely unrealistic either.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 9, 2017 -> 03:10 PM) Kyle Seager won the weekend Who's that?

A potential 70/70 hit and power tool, there is a lot to be excited about Jimenez. I don't want to jinx it but I think he may be our safest prospect in the system.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) No doubt. At worst, top 3. Top 5 could be Acuna, Vlad Jr., Eloy, Torres, and Rosario (or Robles if Rosario loses eligibility) in any order.

This is an exciting topic, I will go with the most likely lineup based on how I think how the 'spects are going to pan out. 2B - Moncada LF - Robert SS - Machado RF - Jimenez DH - Abreu/Gillaspie 3B - Burger 1B - Adolfo/Gillaspie C - Zavala CF - Rutherford/FA/Draft pick Bench - Delmonico, Cordell, Mendick, Collins SP - Kopech SP - Lopez SP - Hansen SP - Giolitto SP - Dunning/Guerrero CL - Burdi SU - Cease SU - Adams SU - Bummer SU - Fulmer LR - Clarkin LR - Stephens

QUOTE (Sox Fan In Husker Land @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 09:29 PM) I have no idea what the lineup will look like in 3+ years, but we have a boatload of talent to potentially pencil in there. We don't know who is going to make it as a prospect, and who is going to flame out, but there are so many talented players we have now it's just awesome to ponder. Look at all this talent, and that doesn't even include a top 3 pick in the 2018 draft and another high pick in the 2019 draft or any potential free agents the Sox could sign. For 2020 the Sox only have $4 million in guaranteed salary to Tim Anderson, so they would have tons of $ available to sign any roster holes they may have. CF - Robert R LF - Rutherford L 2B - Moncada S RF - Jimenez R 3B - Burger R 1B - Sheets L DH - Adolfo R C - Collins L SS - Anderson R Bench C - Narvaez L C - Smith R 1B - Gillaspie S UTI - L. Garcia S UTI - Saladino R UTI - Sanchez S UTI - Davidson R OF - Delmonico L OF - Tilson L OF - Basabe S OF - Cordell R SP - Kopech R SP - Rodon L SP - Lopez R SP - Hansen R SP - Giolito R BP - Jones R BP - Adams R BP - Burdi R BP - Cease R BP - Dunning R BP - Fulmer R BP - Clarkin L BP - Guerrero L BP - Bummer L BP - Stephens BP - Puckett The future looks extremely promising. The Tilson love continues! For a guy who has had 2 AB's in in the past calendar year, I can't believe people are still penciling in a spot for him in 2020. Amazing.

I thought the Russians were behind this.

The 50 million dollar kid is back.

Ramon Beltre finally got promoted from DSL to state side after 4 years in that league. Takes a lot of preseverance to repeat the same league so many times when many other prospects breeze through the system. Probably never amass to anything special, but rooting for the guy.

Greg must be jumping for joy right now.