Flash Tizzle

It's official. Second place.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 3, 2008 -> 02:59 PM) People do sure seem to get a lot pissier about my comments when the Sox are losing. Ha, yeah they do. Which is why this thread may be a blend of negativity/ posters coming in just to say this thread is your dream.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 3, 2008 -> 02:55 PM) Screw it, just delete the thread if people have such a problem with it. Sorry for the confusion about my motives. Whoa, now. Stand by your guns. You should just admit you started this thread for a place to post negative comments. Why give people the satisfaction of deleting this thread? It'll be true in about an inning. You should know by now there are people who criticize everything you say. Earlier in this thread I was just attempting to get out their arguments so we can begin commenting on the nature of this ballcub (which, as of recently, is a large ball of sucktitude)

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 3, 2008 -> 02:52 PM) Be honest Flash, do you think I would actually sugarcoat stuff? I don't believe you would. But you would come up with an alternate reason for posting negativity as to to appease the cult of positive soxtalk members.

Griffey would have had that.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 3, 2008 -> 02:47 PM) Here's the reason I started this...I think it would be a good idea to put Twins related stuff into this thread. The AL Central thread has very few posts on a weekly basis. Well, I'm going to ignore your supposed reason (which is crap) and just post my negative remarks in here if that's ok.

Even if Guillen wasn't ejected I don't think he'd come out to check on Anderson.

Also, just to get it out of the way -- why does this thread need to exist; isn't there enough negativity?! We should be able to create White Sox winner threads and first place threads, but nothing else!

I hope another player of ours is hit, just for the comedic reaction that Hawk will surely give. "Oh...........that's ok. Just wait until these guys come to our place!" Where of course nothing will happen.

QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 3, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) I thought for sure whitesoxbrian would start this. Right size, wrong shape. And a minute too late.

Just to get it out of the way -- of courz Fathom starts this11 thred !!! Although there's nothing we should be congratulating this team about. This last week has been embarrassing to watch.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Aug 3, 2008 -> 02:21 PM) So, we have one bench sub left with Jim Thome. If another slapping match were to happen, we may have to forfeit. The Royals should be allowed to hit any opponent who they're beating by 10 or more runs. Just to teach the opposition a lesson. The umpiring crew will agree it's necessary.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 3, 2008 -> 09:45 AM) And thanks to the Indians we're still up 1/2 game. And thanks ot the Indians, not for much longer.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 3, 2008 -> 02:12 PM) Can we ask again....where's our Liriano? We'll have our Liriano on the White Sox......in 2013, when he's washed up.

This is really embarrassing. It's simple -- we don't deserve to be in first place after this last week.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 2, 2008 -> 09:05 AM) Springsteen tonight! How many diaper changes did Springsteen need last night?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 2, 2008 -> 03:41 PM) The heat index is 111 degrees. Cramping isn't unusual in those circumstances. Its very easy to dehydrate. The heat is an excuse. If the conditions were so terrible on the field why weren't more players affected? I knew he'd have injury problems at some point, but Day 2?

Haha, what's with the physical descriptions of posters Pratt? Otherwise it was an interesting account of the game and both websites. I'm upset I missed Dougly more than anything else

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 11:02 PM) It's a little odd reading the game thread and seeing many bash Hawk and DJ because they are so complimetary of the Twins. The funny thing is that you predicted in the gamethread the Twins comeback in the fifth and also predicted the Twins expanding their lead after the Dye HR that cut the lead to 1 run. Your explanation was that it was "inevitable" IIRC. I will take a 4 run lead every game and I don't care where it's played but you definitely thought the lead was temporary. I really don't know what to make of this phenomena. You were doing just what Hawk was doing. Just as Hawk was calling it how he see's it so were you. Unfortunately you proved your point and so did Hawk , there's a lot about the Twins way of playing baseball to admire. I was not doing what Hawk was doing. I predicted they'd lose the lead even before the inning began because I had a sinking feeling something would go wrong. Is it coincidence everything happened as I said? Yes, and it goes more towards the belief I have that the players think more closely to us than we imagine. Like they're waiting for something to go wrong. We've al been conditioned to feel this way, and this is what I want changed. I'm not suggesting Twins lack talent. As I wrote in the initial post, it's intangible ideas we're talking about. Pitchers still have to pitch and hitters have to hit. I just feel, even if it does absolutely nothing on the field, this organizational love for the Twins and this feeling no lead is safe can't be beneficial for us. Especially with one series remaining. Is there nothing to be said about subconsciously acting in a certain way? Isn't that what home field advantage is all about, anyways? We don't need home field fans, in addition to everything else I've mentioned about the Twins, adding ontop of one another.

QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 10:37 PM) Well in Danks' defense there's not usually a 10 minute break between pitches. Bullpen just didn't bail him out. How is that any different than the rest he might have following a 123 inning from the offense? I believe he had warm up tosses as well. The entire fan experience obviously rattled him. It just is incredibly frustrating to walk someone after all of what happened. As if you could physically feel the momentum change. It was about the point I realized we were setting ourselves up for a loss.

Another terrible turning point is Danks having a 1-2 count on a gift strike that was awarded after a HBP, so what does he do but WALK HIM. To leadoff the inning! That's just inexcusable. As I said in the game day thread, put the White Sox in that point and you know we're not reaching base.

There comes a point when you have to think to yourself, if the fans believe every lead is temporary against the Twins, and the announcers believe it as well, then what's preventing the players from feeling similarily? I know it's a strange subject because we're talking about intangibles and ideas that can't be calculated, but hearing all about the invincibility of the Twins from management on down to Hawk grows tiring. It's one point to give them credit, quite another to endlessly slobber over their talent and "never surrender" attitude. I'm tired of it. It can't be helping anyone. I just wonder how it affects players when they're up 4-1, the 5th inning comes around, and Gomez reaches with a single. Tell me, just from your opinion, that no one our team thought "here we go again! Those damn Pirahnas are going to win again!" The defensive miscues and wildpitches should prove some mental issues are present. What worries me is, Hawk is citing our troubles in this dome every half inning. "Some places you just don't play well in." Well, guess what -- we have three remaining games against the Twins in the same stadium late September. It may be the deciding series in the division. Something needs to chance. Tell Guillen to put a muzzle on. Instruct Hawk to remove himself from Gomez's .254 ass. Hell, I'd love to hear Gullen guarantee a series victory next time around in Minnesota. Just SOMETHING to show we're confident in ourselves. Yes, in past seasons dismissing the Twins didn't help; but as of right now, what we're doing isn't either. This team is more talented than past seasons, and we've shown in two games the ability to get an early lead.

Why IBB Morneau? Hit him and save three pitches.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 09:06 PM) WTF , made a deal with the devil ? If we do mount a 9th inning comeback and lose by 1 I'm pm'ing you and asking for the California lotto numbers. Ha, it's not even that I'm making unlikely predictions. It just seems like certain things are inevitable, and that's why I believe if the fans feel a certain way -- so do the players. They all have it in their heads that everything and anything can go wrong at the Metrodome.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 08:59 PM) That was an easy pick for Swisher. No, the speed of Carlos Gomez intimidated Swisher........to scoop up a throw.