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QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:03 PM) Jose absolutely has to catch that. It looks like he just sticks his glove out moving to his left and closes his eyes. Two times tonight

Wow Abreu is atrocious defensively

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:59 PM) Well this isn't good. Can't just throw only fastballs to these guys I don't think it'd be all that bad if Albers blew it. We still banged up Arrieta and a loss is just another step towards selling. A win is just a mild annoyance, granted it's against the Cubs.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:57 PM) Who will show up to pitch the ninth - will it be Cat or Fat? (Sigh).....Fat

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:44 PM) No chance you get that at the trade deadline. For Sale, I guaran damn tee there'd be atleast one or two ML players to immediately plug into the team. I'm not even suggesting it's what I'd prefer, but knowing the White Sox they'd expect immediate return out of a trade

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:40 PM) The best return possible for Sale will be had in the offseason because it brings ML players into the picture. Since it's the offseason a team can fill those holes without compromising playoff odds midseason. Most teams don't want to give up the entire farm for Sale, so any deal is probably going to require a major league player. I wouldn't expect only prospects for Sale, you have to throw in a ML player or two

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:34 PM) Questionable calls by that there home plate ump Wow this whole night these calls have went against the White Sox

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:32 PM) There's no reason to panic sell at a time when your team is reeling and other GM's recognize that and will try to take advantage of an emotional hit of the panic button. Why do you think Hahn's phone is ringing off the hook in the past week? A lot of terrible emotional losses when the team was already on the edge of being out of it. It's like a bunch of vultures circling a dying animal waiting to strike. Like I said, if they really want to move him I'd prefer they be patient and wait a year or two for someone to knock their socks off. That's the exact opposite of how things are now. GM's are desperate, we don't need to sell either but should because the pitching market is thin and Hahn should be receiving deals to knock his sock off. It's always wait a year or two with this ballclub. Before you know if Q or Sale will be injured/ineffective and we'll be shrugging our shoulders wondering why we didn't move one sooner. Meanwhile, it'll still be the same ol' .500 ballclub.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:19 PM) To come out against Arrieta and play like this I'm a little surprised. Maybe this team isn't dead in the water yet after all. God I hope you're not Hahn. If you are, learn from last year -- a week stretch of good baseball shouldn't change your opinion of this ballclub. Sell

Yesss!!!! I'm definitely in sell mode, but whatever runs we can throw on hgh infused Arrieta is an awesome sight!

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 08:47 PM) Abreu is pathetic He took one step to his right before the pitch, and after it was hit he couldn't make that one step back to the left. Terrible

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 11:42 AM) In a situation this extreme, there's no point in fighting perception. Due to his value being a bit tarnished by perception/name recognition/win total, etc., the Sox are just not going to get enough value in a Quintana trade to make it worthwhile. No GM is going to empty his farm system for a name that doesn't fully energize the fan base. Sale on the other hand... As Caufield say, what about Shelby Miller? Is the excuse just, "oh well Arizone frequently watched him pitched and liked him." Or the good ole, "that type of overpay rarely happens," yet in reality it happens every year.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 07:44 PM) I get really frustrated when it's time for us to sell. When it was Peavy, that he was 1.5 control we thought it would be such an asset to get more back. Then what did we hear back? "teams were looking for a cheaper option" When it was Rios "Just a rental, shouldn't expect much back" I feel like when push comes to shove we'll hear "Too good for the market, teams went after cheaper options" No kidding, it's like a collective effort by the league to never need whatever we're selling. Granted, I understand those players aren't tge equivalent of Sale or Quintana; but there are always reasons we never seem to get ahead. I fully expect Hahn to trade a coveted player like Quintana for an awesome package, not only because our future depends on it, but the contract/health/talent of Q in this sellers market should provide NO excuse. None. Not even the, "he's undervalued" card. If he's here come August 1st Hahn has failed. His best bet is to trade him asap, with the most teams available, before they start looking elsewhere and we're the one's left mired in mediocrity for another season

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 09:45 PM) I knew Sale having his name in trade rumors would offend him and have him explode. The dude is a hot head and takes pretty much everything personally. I was thinking this too, it wasn't just coincidental. However, if Sale had pitched a terrible game it wouldn't have changed his value any more than if this incident happened. If they want to trade him they should do it as quick as possible. Otherwise, just do damage control (always a specialty of the White Sox) and work with dealing Quintana

This is just yet another White Sox distraction. Always drama with this organization. And of course Sale pulls this nonsense when he's on the trade market and a potential trade return could transform this ballclub. Not that it's going to hurt, but it's incredibly annoying

I'm all aboard this 'lose for better draft position' thread and would like to add a rooting interest in 'lose to ensure we remain sellers' . A win streak could be the excuse for Hahn to hold off selling. We know the White Sox are perfect at doing this. We'll go something like 8 of 10 defeating Tigers, Cubs and Twinsp leading into the trade deadline and be around 3 gb of wildcard spot. It's just pure White Sox

QUOTE (Insp @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 12:20 AM) If you're serious about rebuilding, then don't trade any of the pitching. Trade all of the hitters except Morneau & Saladino as they are the only players who know how to work the pitch count. Get back hitting prospects who have demonstrated the ability to work the pitch count. If We're serious about rebuilding, we have to trade our most valuable assets -- starting pitching. We're not going to receive the highest value otherwise

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 08:45 PM) http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago...er-trade-072116 There it is, exactly what I've been waiting to hear from Hahn. Very refreshing to read him acknowledge what everyone sees

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 01:29 PM) I really hope that this front office and ownership group doesn't blow this current opportunity. You don't have to move Sale or Quintana right now, but you should be actively listening on all offers and prepared to move them in the offseason. They'll blow it because it's easier to field a mediocre team with the chance (albeit slim) of competing, then taking a chance admitting fault and rebuilding. No, we rather trade either Sale or Quintana when they're ineffective and have very limited value. Won't it be a shame years from now if we continue missing the playoffs AND don't receive anything of value from either pitcher? I feel that's where being on the fence will get us.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 12:42 PM) Agreed. Teams on the fringe right now taste playoff blood and do crazy things. Dodgers won't be in the position they are now when the offseason comes around. We need to take advantage of that

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 12:38 PM) I've been the biggest Q backer on this site, calm down. It's because the Shelby Miller package was such an overpay, not because Q isn't as good as Miller. I understood what you were saying, and what I feel is a similar type of overpay is exactly what should be expected for Quintana.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 12:34 PM) If I'm running things, I put an open for business sign on my foot, and explore options. My gut tells me no one is going to give me the right package for Sale or Q, so I turn my focus on trading Fraizer-Robertson-Melky and see what I can do. In the off-season and at the Winter Meetings is where I really try and sell Sale and Q. The problem is of course in reality, the White Sox front office believes the fan base needs to hear they are "in it to win it" every year, yet we all know that isn't even close to being true. It's not a bad idea to take advantage of a team's position now. Yes, in the offseason there are more suitors; but at this point those in need of starting pitching are known and a trade can provide immediate relief.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 11:56 AM) There are three untouchables in a full scale fire sale. Anderson, Rodon, Fulmer. Sale could bring back an unprecedented haul. Q should bring back something slightly less than the Shelby Miller debacle. Gonzalez and Shields could probably bring in some decent fliers. Abreu's name would probably carry some value. Frazier's average is low, but he's producing runs. Bring some value. Eaton should bring some good value back. Melky should bring a decent prospect in. Robertson/Duke/Jones/Jennings can all bring in a decent prospect. Lawrie might. Just know, everyone here will be in misery for at least 3 years, regardless of return. It's probably the wise move at this point but still. Anderson, Rodon, Fulmer (now in the rotation) and Saladino would be the only watchable parts of it. You'd have to hope that the 2016 draft class are all fast risers to minimize the misery. Why are we selling ourselves short? Every damn year there are lopsided trades and of course we're never a part of it. Quintana was always the superior pitcher to Shelby Miller, also. If Hahn would have inquired about him with Arizona who knows the result. This is what I fear will happen with Rich Hill. We'll make excuses of course like people did with Miller, but I'd believe yet again Hahn just didnt bother picking up the phone.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 11:41 AM) Maybe the front office will try some kind of half measured "rebuild". They could keep the pitching, but try to assemble a better offense. That has been their biggest weakness. That middle of the order, consisting of Abreu, Melky and Frazier is not really very productive. With Abreu having an off year, and Frazier being an all or nothing slugger, they are not likely to score enough runs to make this squad contenders. Frazier seems to be the trade chip, most likely to net something worthwhile. I like Melky, and his left handed bat, but he is not a #3 or 4 hitter. They need two studs at those two spots. Maybe Collins will be one of them, in a year, or two, but unless Jose rebounds, he doesn't measure up. He has been the biggest disappointment for me, of anyone on the roster. A third consecutive year of .300, with 30 homers and 100 driven in, would have been great, but it doesn't look like he's going to get there. A stellar staff is too hard and too costly to assemble. They have the pieces to accomplish that, and with the potential of Rodon, Fullmer and Hansen, they may ultimately be able to move Sale, or Quintana. However, for the time being, it might make more sense to keep the starting staff together, and try to concentrate on fixing the offense, for next season. I think Frazier and Robertson are the two guys who should be shopped the hardest. Depending upon what they get back, they could then focus on filling the rest of the remaining holes. Does anyone think that Davidson might be capable of holding down the hot corner, next season? If so, the infield could be set with Davidson, Anderson Lawrie and Abreu. If not, they would have to go outside the organization to replace Frazier. I don't like moving Lawrie back to 3RD. I like his defense at second much better and his bat plays pretty well there. There aren't that many second basemen who put up much better offensive numbers than he has, so far. I think that they have to find a good centerfield replacement, in any trade for Frazier and, or Robertson. I believe that most of us agree that Eaton should stay in RF We're not getting to the playoffs fixing the offense on whomever comes back from trading Frazier and Robertson. Why would we even consider dealing our top HR and RBI producer, anyway? He's hardly the problem. There is no solution that doesn't result in us picking through FA scrap heaps, taking on a bad contract from a smaller market team, or further depleting our farm system. Guys, please think rationally here. This stellar pitching staff of ours does no good with the current offense, and the current offense is not going to improve with tweaking. We need atleast two more 800 ops positional players. Now if you can find that without trading Sale, Quintana, or giving up any more prospects Hahn would unanimously be executive of the year.

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 11:15 AM) Prepare to be disappointed, man. There is no way in hell that Q or Sale are going anywhere. The Sox won't even trade Robertson as they think that this current cast of clowns will be able to compete again next year with a few minor tweaks and additions. They'll just never learn. We have BOTH starters pitching well with atleast one team in desperate need, and two more requiring a front line starter. If Quintana or Sale become injured after this year (which i understand is the risk with any player) and we ultimately get nothing as a result, it will be one of the greatest failures of the Hahn regime. Please, let's be smart and sell high for once.