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QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) Change may be imminent, but seriously, we are not playing with the house's money any more like we were after 2005. This team could be in for a long long rebuilding road. This season may be our best season in a long time. I don't think any White Sox fans are ready for that pain. Let's say we have 4-6 straight seasons of sub .500 baseball. Ugh. I'm just saying the change you want may result in a way worse pitching staff. Coupled with our rich underachieving offense that may result in us being the worst team in baseball for a long time. I'm ready for it. If we had begun the rebuilding in 2007, as myself and others wanted, we would have been through this 4-6 year window you're throwing out. Don't you feel that we just keep delaying the inevitable? What, are we going to have this same discussion in four years? If we do happen to undergo a 5 year period of suck and attendance suffers, once we shape up our system and develop some all-star caliber talent and contend one season, attendance will shoot back up and we'll be able to sign FAs. That's what we have that KC and Pittsburgh don't have -- a large fanbase (even if they are fickle). And if takes longer than 5 years, so be it. We have to learn how to develop.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 01:32 PM) To be fair, I didnt take it that way at all. I thought Ozzie Jr was pointing out that the fans can get pretty nasty towards his father. I have no doubt that its probably true those things have been said or written (maybe not here, but somewhere). It was some what of a martyr statement. I post here, I never thought for a second he was implying Im a racist. At worst I thought he was implying that some of our posters are less than eloquent when making their statements, and that I can agree with. LOL it's funny that you actually believe what you're typing here. Typical lawyer sentiment, where everyone can read and comprehend a sentence that CLEARLY implicates our site as both racist and guilty of inflammatory remarks, yet apparently there's deeper meaning that only you can view. Is this the "even the guilty deserve representation" part of you coming out?

QUOTE (SnB @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 10:54 AM) The no hitter was the first low point, then they crept their way back up and hit rock bottom again last night. I just find it amazing that all of this happened immediately after the deadline. We were 3 games out just 5 days ago, ridiculous. For future reference, if we're with a similar team that is meddling around. 500 but still within range of 1st, I hope we have a general manager with some balls to do what's right. There was that post on Twitter before the deadline were an anonymous source believed Williams didn't foresee the team as a contender. He should have went his instinct instead of worrying about people screaming "White Flag!!" or not attending games after a sell off. Now look at the result -- we're worse off for not dealing Quentin/Thornton, basically look dead as a team, AND people are not attending games!

It's just that part of you that wants everything to get worse. You want to see Guillen fall apart, Williams make a few more ridiculous roster decisions, Dunn strikeout a few more times, Rios make a few more defensive miscues, etc., because you know they're not going anywhere. If they're destined to lose, why not make it a bit more interesting? I believe that's the appeal of fun-bad.

We all know Guillen Jr.'s comments weren't based in fact, and from my perspective, that's all that matters. Let the author of the article and their readers believe otherwise, it shouldn't matter. Unless there's an influx of Mexican/Guillen hating posters, we exist as a community to talk with one another -- not appease outsiders. It should be irrelevant how they perceive our posts. It's a message board, not anything more than that. I know my position won't be supported by many judging from the reactions thus far, but fighting this with emails seems like a strongly worded United Nations letter; ie, good intentions, but nothing substantial will come from it. Do we expect Greenberg to imply to his readers he didn't do his homework and research the comments himself?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 03:37 PM) I love seeing so many people FINALLY echoing the things I've been saying for a while. I know we've agreed for a while, but it's just about the same thing I've said over the last two months. Crawling backwards into the playoffs to be humiliated would be the worst thing for this team. I also said that playing decently well before the deadline would be bad because they'd decide to stick with this team, and that they would likely do exactly that because it'd be the worst possibility at the time. Then, of course, they did. Thus, I expect them to somehow make the playoffs, haha. I almost expect them to go into Minnesota and sweep them because that's the type of s*** they do. Now, if it were September and we were in 1st place I'd expect them to sweep us; but since we're all counting them out and they're on the brink of packing it in they'll pull together one final tease.

Perhaps all those proposed moves (specifically Williams and Guillen) are inevitable at the end of this season, but I'd rather not take a chance. If their future is tied to the success of this current team, I am rooting for failure. Unlike 2007 when I was rooting for failure for the opportunity to draft higher, our current failures this year will do more for shaping our future than any potential 1st round bust. I'd rather take the chance of an abysmal second half leading to the firing of Williams and Guillen than the chance this team pulls together a miracle, makes the playoffs, and wins the World Series. Don't need anything, even our own success (however slim) prolonging the careers of those two with this organization.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 2, 2011 -> 11:23 AM) For the Guillen apologists, please list out the reasons why you think that he needs to stay here as the manager of our ball club. I'm trying to objectively come up with reasons why he deserves to stay and I'm struggling to come up with anything other than he's entertaining with the media. Who else will play his blend of spicy Latin music in the clubhouse?

Four runs up and double stealing against us? That's an insult worthy of throwing at a few Yankee players.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Aug 2, 2011 -> 08:48 PM) The problem with that is the manager. Do you think for a minute that 8 games back or more will stop Guillen from starting Omar over Morel, rios over DeAza or any of thebother silly decisions that he makes. No, he probably won't, but I think a sudden drop in the standings will increase tensions, definitely on Williams for his lack of midseason deals; maybe on Guillen for doing exactly what you're describing. It's better than the alternative of meddling around .500 and 5 games back, continuing to wait for that elusive 8 game winning streak we always seem to come across every season.

We better put Konerko in the lineup soon, injured or not. Listening to Hawk talk about this lineup being different without him, I sense an excuse forming to explain the slide in the standings. There should be none entering the offseason -- put his ass in now. Even if it just means standing at the plate.

64% of you may want to reevaluate your opinions. IN OR OUT?!!

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 2, 2011 -> 08:17 PM) 5.5 back after tonight is looking very possible. This is definitely a nightmare scenario. The next will be the undervaluing of our players come the offseason when we're looking to trade them. And think, last week people were worried about dealing Quentin and Thornton because of all this boogey-man talk of "white flag" and "attendance dropping." Well, how'd that work out for us? Attendance is s*** and we could have easily played this poorly with a few less players. It's just ridiculous anyone could have thought this team was anything more than what we're seeing. It's as if Williams knew with dealing Jackson, but then out thought himself. Well, hopefully we'll just lose the remainder of this series, then the Twins series, and can begin looking forward to next season. Just end this misery now instead of September.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 2, 2011 -> 02:56 PM) @MDGonzales Mark Gonzales Sox lineup: Pierre lf, Vizquel 3b, quentin DH, Dunn 1b, Ramirez ss, AJ c, Rios cf, De Aza rf, Beckham 2b, Danks p Hilarious. I'm more interested in watching now just to see how poorly this lineup hits.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 1, 2011 -> 09:01 PM) Get a slider and hit it into the bullpen Gordon! He'd rather just strikeout

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 1, 2011 -> 08:35 PM) Love playing for one run against the yankees Our plan was to rely on Lillibridge to bunt over two players into scoring position for.......Morel and Pierre to drive them in. And with our powerhouse offense we can afford to give up outs for the one run.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 1, 2011 -> 08:24 PM) I wonder if there is something physically wrong with Jake. When you read fastballs at 88 MPH and less that's just not right. There is nothing wrong with him. This is just the new Peavy. It looks like we have several more years of Lance Broadway starts ahead of us....

Meh. Unless Peavy is out of the game this HR means nothing. More runs will cross for NY.

How many swinging strikes has Peavy had against him? They're not fooled by anything he's throwing

QUOTE (kapzk @ Aug 1, 2011 -> 08:01 PM) I don't even know what difference would be brought to the team with a change in coach staff (except for Cooper). The players are at fault more than the coaches IMO. I don't even care, I'm just tired of looking at the same faces. Let nothing change. Also Peavy is going to hurt himself with these line drives that are finding their way past him on the mound.

Not like runs will be difficult to come by tonight. We can afford to make mental errors.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 1, 2011 -> 07:51 PM) On the bright side, at least it will be more interesting watching Stewart pitch the last month of the season than seeing Mr. Petco Peavy at this state in his career looks EXACTLY like the type of pitcher we'd draft and develop through our system. 90 mph fastball with limited movement and a steady collection of rolling breaking balls. His own lack of talent actually is endangering people on the field (including himself) due to the velocity his pitches are leaving the bat.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Aug 1, 2011 -> 07:34 PM) Honestly, this disaster is going to end up being good for the franchise. Had we somehow managed to win this Comedy Central, KW and OG would be brought back. Now that it has blown up in their faces, they will surely both lose their jobs. The franchise will FINALLY be able to move forward. I wish I was reading this post in October, not now. There's still ample time for this team to linger and give all the super fans around here hope. Every embarrassing loss brings us closer to dismantling. And you know what? I don't care how long it takes. I don't care how much our payroll drops due to poor attendance, either. We need new management, new coaching; and if nothing changes atleast we'll be without the drama this team carries with it.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 11:01 AM) I realize its an inflammatory thing to say...just feels like we are going to win just enough to make it close and flame out...Sorry for being so negative and cynical If I was Williams, trading Quentin would be a risk I'd be willing to take. Not only considering the possible return package, but my own job security. Figure, if nothing is done and we don't make the playoffs, it could be his end. If this trade is done and we still miss the playoffs, nothing changes, he'll still on the block. It wouldn't matter either way if he truly believes this team isn't fit to win the division. I have to believe those in charge are smarter than the mopes filling the stands. No one should be frightened with trading a sought after commodity because of random people suggesting "white flag" or an attendance drop. Many here are just afraid of a different approach. They'd rather every season follow the same formula of always believing they're in it (aside from 07') and whatever happens in September happens. We'll just try it all over again. I'm sure Williams knows how this script will go, even if we're within striking distance of first.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:41 PM) I haven't been a big fan of Aramis in recent years, but this year he's been on his game, so as long as the rental cost wasn't too extravagant, he could be the perfect addition to pick up any offensive slack lost in a Quentin trade, while also upgrading a position we happen to be deficient at (offensively speaking). He's a dog at 3B, though. You'll never see the 2011 Ramirez over extend himself at 3B and risk injuring that shoulder on the heel of perhaps his final multi year contract.