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Tony and Hahn both said they were all there by choice fwiw.

And what you clearly don’t want to admit is just because the payroll was $197M this season doesn’t mean that is a hard and fast limit for 2023. The difference between $197M and $200M is micenuts to an MLB org. Find somebody else to debate your meaningless line in the sand payroll limits all offseason with. It’s a worthless conversation. There is zero reason the Sox can’t spend $30M this offseason.

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Lol you love to squabble over meaningless dollars. My off the cuff projections youre referring to came to $165M. Add $5M if you will. That’s $170M. Current payroll is ~$196M this season, which means they have $25-30M to spend to get to $195-200M, which is exactly what I said. Look forward to how you’ll find a way to disagree with that to that last word in!

Nah I got to $165M that way. Add a couple million if you’d like. It’s trivial. They have $25-30M to spend to stay around $195-200M.

Is Hahn’s portion of the presser available anywhere? Haven’t been able to find it.

They have $30M to spend to stay about where they are this year. Will they spend it? Who knows. But I am far from surprised to hear Hahn not openly say they’re going to go hard after FAs after he’s constantly mocked about his FA failings. Way as well under promise and over deliver in that regard. I’d be shocked if they didn’t have a payroll of at least $190M.

Well, expect very likely the entire coaching staff.

If the budget is that thin, then just keep AV, sign a cheap reclamation project SP and OF. Relying on Sheets and Burger as plan A for anything is just awful.

Yikes. I miss optimistic CWS. Letting Abreu walk AND trading AV this offseason while relying on two unproven bats with options at 1B would be just an awful, awful, awful decision making.

Nah. Sheets should be a guy they park in Charlotte until he’s needed. He has an option. Use it. Let him and Burger be pure depth.

I laughed. This was a good one.

I listened to the CHGO podcast they put out last night on TLR. I've started listening to that lately and its pretty solid. Duber is always interesting to listen to as he is fairly articulate, and is also in the clubhouse and has a better feel for those things than those without that exposure. I was surprised - though maybe I shouldn't be - to hear his take that he does think this is legitimately Tony stepping away for his health, and not something the Sox were encouraging. IE: the Sox may not have gone in a different direction had this heart issue not popped up. We'll likely never know one way or the other, but fuckina, if the Sox were actually going to let TLR come back if his doctors cleared him its just so frustrating.

Right, which is just another reason why resigning Abreu makes very little sense.

Johnny has earned himself a nice little payday for 2023. I could see him getting $8-10M. I'd probably look for younger options. We could use a lefty, too.

Problem with the retain Abreu, sign Nimmo and trade AV scenario is once you add a stopgap 5th SP, you're adding probably at least $38-45M to payroll with Nimmo ~$18-20M, Abreu ~$12-15m, SP $8-12M. That means Sox would be operating with payroll around $210-215m, which is $20M higher than this season. I find that unlikely.

Just sign Nimmo. That's the easy answer. Then you have the option to resign Abreu, or trade AV. I'd let Abreu walk and give 1B to AV, personally. But if you could do something like AV + Yolbert + Dalquist (may need to part with 1 of Sosa/Ramos/Jrod instead of Yolbert realistically) for Jazz, I could be swayed back to that direction if you don't overpay Abreu. Anderson SS, Nimmo RF, Robert CF, Eloy DH, Abreu 1B, Moncada 3B, Colas LF, Yaz C, Jazz 2B is pretty sexy, if you ask me. That lineup balance makes me pretty excited.

FWIW, Pollock's natural position is definitely not RF. Its probably CF, but he's a much better (and more comfortable) LF than RF.

No one would be worse than Tony. Honestly. I'd prefer a 4th grade girls softball team coach.

Leury has 18 PA since Cairo took over. Glued to the bench. Leury averaged 70 PA a month in May-July.

I’d rather have seen Tony publicly humiliated and fired into the sun. But I guess this will have to do. Sox immediately become more viable next season with this clown out of the way, but lots of work to do. Ready to start seeing that progress tomorrow.

Id prefer someone that is under 60, ideally under 50. We don’t need to run it back with an old man.

Leury has always seemed like a good guy. He has a great attitude. I think what Tony did to him was unfair, but obviously giving him 3/$15.5m was crazy. I think he’ll be fine as the 26th man on the roster next 2 seasons.

Because his value is as low as it’s ever been and he has the ability to be a top of the rotation starter? I don’t see how this is hard to understand.