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This. I also don't really see the point in Austin Hays. Just let our fringe guys play in 25.

Sure. A serious injury is entirely possible for any player. $50M isn't the max payroll. So I don't really care to play those hypothetical games, but yes, I would. Because he is one asset that is a monster first half away from having major value (in 25, but also 26). The guy has 5-7 WAR ceiling, and he's actually done it.

Robert was brutal in 24, but man has this board soured on him. There really aren't any scenarios short of a long term serious injury where I am not retaining Robert for $20M in 26.

I don't see how trading him for a paltry return works out in the Sox favor either, tho. I don't know what the interest level is in Robert and what types of offers might come together. I could be convinced to trade him this winter. But selling low, when there is minimal downside risk if the offseason offers are poor, and the upside is tremendous, is bad business. I think Getz valuing him as a 2.5-3 WAR player with additional upside and three years of control (with downside protection) is appropriate.

Huh? $20M is a fair price even if Robert is basically what he is. He's an absolute bargain if he's 3-5 WAR player.

I could see spending some $ on a SP and a reliever or two as flips. Maybe a SS to hold down the fort until Colson is ready, but I'd just let Baldwin have a crack at it with Sosa holding down 2B. Otherwise an milb deal catcher or two, and they should be fine. Plus whatever mlb ready positional prospect they bring in with Crochet deal.

As damn well they should.

Honestly, what's even the point in spending $ in free agency this offseason? They should just see what they have with the fringe guys.

For the half season they're on the major league club together (if both are healthy), on an (at best) 85-90 loss team, and then watch Crochet go to FA without any return but a potential comp pick?

Because it doesn't make any sense. I'm sure they'd love to dump Beni. I personally would just keep him. He was solid last few months of the season and he a good first half away from being moveable without being a negative asset. But if they can dump him now to open up more ABs for Fletcher/Deloach/Colas, I won't argue. That said, taking less return on Crochet to dump Beni makes less than no sense.

Great. Call him up in May.

I think Sox keep AV, but I'd certainly be trying to get a deal closer to $4.5-$5M done. Lose some leverage there after today. I think Sox tender all except Gavin, thought wouldn't be surprised to see everyone back. De Los Santos also a coin flip.

I sure hope Quero isn't on the OF roster. Terrible short sighted roster management. I doubt Chuckie Robinson survives the offseason on the 40 man, so we'll need another catcher but I'd just give Lee the vast majority of the work until Quero earns his promotion, sometime in May. I'd probably just bring in a couple milb invite and see who wins the job. Or could just let Hackenburg get a taste.

Usually non tenders are just outrights prior to the deadline. See Nicky Lopez for example.

They literally can't.

I mean, Jose is getting paid $20M in 25 by the Astros. He'd cost the pro rated minimum. He's probably toast, but it'd be cheap toast at least.

I'd absolutely bring Jose back on an milb deal if they move on from AV.

Guy was brutal first half of last season but was still attractive enough to be traded 2x. He's a useful bench bat, especially if he bounces back to 20-23 form. Sexy? Absolutely not. But decent platoon pairing for Beni in LF and whoever of Fletcher/Colas/Deloach that plays right. I'm assuming it's a pretty cheap 1 year deal, so not much to hand wring about here imo.

Williams, Mauricio, Baty and Baez is pretty intriguing, especially if some feel they can do better.

Idk. Don't get me wrong, nothing Getz has done with the roster has been great. The Cease deal was a C+ at best. They should have done better. But it wasn't a complete disaster. I hate(d) the Fedde/Kopech deal and always felt it was a good prospect short, but you have to also consider the fact that he a) signed Fedde to begin with; b) while Vargas SSS w/ Sox was an unmitigated disaster, he's probably not that bad, and you can make a decent argument that he was the highest pedigree prospect moved at the deadline; and c) Fedde probably just didn't have much value. I also think Albertus and Perez are pretty interesting. Nothing else he has done is really that terrible. He's obviously overhauling the way the org is structured which is the most important long term, imo. Now, if Getz does any of those disgustingly terrible ideas Harold claims are on the table, i'll change my tune.

We also have a national insider (Passan) saying that Dominguez + Jones isn't enough for Crochet. So, like, there is plenty out there on both sides.

Damn, didn;t realize Lux was down to jsut 2 years. Even more support for it being a terrible idea. Something like De Paula, Lux and someone in the 8-15 range for Robert would work, I guess. I'd still prefer someone other than Lux. But even then, I'd rather just hold and hope we get good Robert in 25. IF we do, he's worth multiples of his current value. When he's not even that expensive, we don't really have anyone else to take his spot, and still have plenty of control, rushing into a meh deal after his brutal 24 isn't necessary.

It doesn't make any sense, Fathom. I don't buy it. You can't completely rule it out because White Sox, but I refuse to believe this is actually a thing. Even more insane is trading Robert for a busted prospect with the same amount of control. If that's Robert's value, not holding him and hoping for a big first half is ABSOLUTE INSANITY.

It's obvious trolling. Or like you said, we're fuc ked.

None of this makes any sense.