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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 29, 2014 -> 10:29 AM) Sign all of the Guerrero children. Watch their training videos, insane for 15 yr olds

I'll give the coaching staff and the front office a collective B+ on the year.

What time does the ceremony start?

Is anyone going to the Saturday game and would want to meet up to watch the Ceremony.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 07:10 PM) Do Dustin Ackley's beckham-like numbers or Rasmus' viciedo-like numbers really appeal to so many ? Have we gotten rid of the dead weight only to acquire more of the same ? Bartender, give this man a drink on my tab. This is the smartest thing that I have heard on this thread.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 03:13 PM) Vlad Jr has some serious power: Actually, I have been doing research on next year's international crop and the Guerrero Family is reponsible for three of the best propects in the class apparently. There is Vlad Jr who is being pegged as the best overall prospect for next year. There is Gregory who is the best over shortstop and has the best hit tool according to some scouts. And then there is Josue.

Vlad Jr has some serious power:

QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 10:43 AM) Also worth throwing out there, if it hasn't been already, Q ranks 9th among pitchers in the whole league in WAR. That almost feels a little silly to me, but it's true. He's nearly 2 whole points ahead of Shields who is probably about to get paid 3x as much as Q is being paid. Where did you get that from?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 04:29 AM) 1) The Dodgers are more than likely not offering Urias and Seager. 2) The Cubs rebuild has taught us...Soler is good and Baez sucks and that they still have no pitching outside of Arrieta. They don't have Sale, Abreu, Q, Eaton or Garcia. 2 franchise cornerstones and three all-star level talents already at the MLB level. I just used that trade as an example, since someone brought it up. The Cubs do have two franchise cornerstones in Rizzo and Castro, oh and they have another coming up in Kris Bryant. And Baez dose not suck, it's too premature to say that, you should judge after he plays a full season in the bigs first.

I think this will look better next year with a year under everyone's belt in the Todd Severson school of hitting.

QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 12:35 AM) And you have to understand that whomever they get in return for Q, would probably not yield that same value, in regards to value on the field, and monetary value. You don't trade Q unless you get a Q back, and if you're going to do that, why trade him in the first place? I hear you loud and clear, I just disagree with you. I am not demanding that the Sox trade Q, I'm stating that it's a notion that they should explore. With that particular trade, Urias and Seager for Quintana. I would argue that Urias has a higher ceiling and better stuff than Quintana. And Seager is the best all around third base prospect in the game in my opinion. He can flat out hit and projects to be a 300 hitter while he hits 25 homers and drives in a 100 RBI a season in the bigs. These just aren't any prospects, these are elite prospects that have performed at every level. Seager would be that left handed, run producer that the team is going to need in the line up going forward. And Urias would be another solid arm to put alongside Sale and Rodon, he's left handed too if that helps you. Hasn't the Cubs' rebuild taught us anything, that pitching is an overrated commodity and when someone offers you that package of prospects, you should strike. (Samardzija and Hammel for Russell, McKinney and Strailey. I think most would agree to say that the Cubs won that deal.) Trading Q would bring the Sox a lot of value back.

QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 12:12 AM) You know Q is a top 10 starter in the AL at a super bargain of a price, right? Yes, I am aware.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 11:33 PM) And the Sox are going to need multiple starters that can do what Q is capable of. I don't know about you but Sale, Q and Rodon in the same rotation for the next 4-6 years sounds pretty solid. Hopefully two of Bassitt, Noesi, Montas or Danish will be able to solidify the other two spots in the next 1-2 years and the rotation is set and a rather cheap one at that. Filling one hole and creating another doesn't make any sense to be honest. I'm really not against the idea of trading any player but guys like Q are valuable like you said, will be needed on a contending team and the haul would have to be overwhelming. For example, negotiations with a team like the Dodgers would start with Julio Urias and one of Joc Pederson or Corey Seager or else forget it. Never over value your own talent, if the Dodgers called and offered Urias and Seager for Quintana, the Sox would be stupid to say no

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 10:53 PM) Do think Rodon can match Q's 200IP and 3.32 ERA? That setting the expectations just a bit high for Rodon. Plus more taxing on the pen. In 2015, not a chance, (Mind you that I have Rodon being anointed a starter after the break.) but going forward yes. 2015 is going to be another and hopefully the last rebuilding year for the Sox. There are still a lot of holes and question marks going forward and the team needs to acquire assets if they hope to be a serious contender going forward. Quintana is a highly valuable commodity and he would bet the Sox a serious return of prospects as teams are going to overpay for a LHP, who is under 30, a quality start machine and is signed to a very team friendly contract. Having Quintana on the team is good for 2015, but what about the future going forward?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 10:30 PM) Do you know what would retard the process of making the White Sox a playoff team? This thread is saying that the team needs bats, trading Q would slove that problem. Trading Q would give the team high quality, ML ready and cost controlled prospects. Rodin could replace him in the rotation and the Sox can sign some mid level starting pitchers to hold down the fort till their pitching prospects are ready.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 10:36 PM) Trading Q only creates another hole in a starting rotation that already has at least one hole. Rodin would replace Q in the rotation.

Know what or whom would bring in a lot of quality position player prospects into the system... Jose Quintana.

And Simon Bolivar

If you follow Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus and Fangraphs on twitter, you should play close attention because they have been named dropping top prospects for the 2015 INTL Signing Period. (Fidel Castro and Vladimir Guerrero Jr.) I might make a new thread to keep track.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 04:28 PM) these guys who makes these list as an easy and enviable position. we are all baseball fans, we also like talking about prospect and draft. we are ranked amateurs who does this as a labor of love. with that, these guys on this site are extremely good at this. so with this draft coming up next yr. it is hard to grade, harder than any in the past that I can remember. but what the hell do I know. this draft, the elite talen 1-4 are college pitchers. the next couple are a mix with hs positional talent and middle of the rd pitchers. then comes a good mix of college outfield and hs pitchers. I really do wish the sox had 2 picks in the 4-8 picks and then another in the 12-16 pick oh well I guess I can wish all I can. now for the sox brass identifying their needs and what is avail. for my thoughts I will probably make a decision some time in Nov. They weren't even high on the college pitchers that are expected to go early.

Baseball America is really down on the overall crop of college players in this draft class. They say all the elite talent, with an exception of a few are all high schoolers. Strengths of the draft class are: HS Athletes and Hs Pitching (Velocity).

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 23, 2014 -> 11:26 AM) I'll go with more general guidelines as opposed to more confined and restrictive moves you've made. YEPS 1) Do attempt to buy low on talented players. These are players who will be discounted somewhat who won't require long-term deals and can provide some insane value both for the Sox and on the trade market. The optimal guy on the free agent market is Colby Rasmus as he fits the Sox needs for another outfielder while offering insane upside to the Sox. He's very much a TTO player, which will turn a lot of guys off, but the upside is high enough to warrant a gamble. 2) Do whatever you can to trade John Danks. He's been discussed quite often, and at the deadline I was on the side of keeping him as it didn't make sense to eat money and get rid of him, but I think this team is a lot closer to competing than even I realized. They're likely going to end up eating most of his contract, but there are ways around that, primarily eating another bad contract that the Sox can find some value in. When looking at possible returns, I look at the Sox needs - outfielder, rotation arm, and bullpen arms - and figure out which is most a trade that can be made. I don't know the exact team, but someone with bad contracts and a need for starting pitching. My gut right now tells me Philadelphia is a possible place to trade with a guy like Domonic Brown coming back, but who knows. 3) In coordination with 2, do bring in a good starting pitcher. Again, this is not shedding all the prospects and bringing in a guy like Cueto or signing James Shields to a mega contract, but acquire a solid 3 WAR starting pitcher, essentially a quality #3. Even if you have to spend a bit of money, this will be worth it as the additions of Rodon and said guy can add a total of perhaps 6 WAR to the rotation. That is a team that is competing. NOPES 1) Do not spend a lot of money on part-time players. This includes relievers. With the amount of decent depth the club as well as the number of options the Sox should be able to acquire for cheap, there is no reason to give a Keppinger or Linebrink type of contract out this offseason. Just continue looking for talented non-tenders and waiver claims and keep moving forward. This does not mean don't show interest - there are guys out there who would be worth multi-year deals at the right price (such as Andrew Miller) - but be cautious. 2) Similar to 1 in the yeps, do not buy players at their highest value. This kind of works against Russell Martin, who I think is a special case, but in general, this will only result in negative cost-value. The Sox, currently, are not at a point where they need a guys such as that. Perhaps following the 2015 or 2016 season they can look towards those moves. 3) Do not "blow the load" this offseason. There is no need to spend a huge sum of money on a free agent, nor is there any reason to trade a huge package of minor leaguers for a major leaguer. Keep the ship steady, make incremental upgrades, and put forth the most talented roster you can without making brash or irrational moves. The Sox are not ready for that yet. What is hard-on obsession that you guys have with Colby Rasmus? I do not want him any wear near a sox uniform.

I like him at first base, I think he could be a better defender there than Abreu who is really solid with the glove.

Why can't we loose.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2014 -> 10:10 AM) Do you think Rick will switch things up this year and try to trade a package including several young players to try to fill a big league role? Absolutely not, because if he decided to do so then all the work that the team has done on rebuilding the team from within, especially the renewed focus on scouting and player development would be for nothing. The Sox have greatly improved their system, and added some impact players to the farm (They have a great young group of pitchers), it would a shame to see several of these guys gone for some ML on a bloated contract.