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FWIW--- JDM had some no trade clauses in his previous deal so i am sure he has some in this one as well.

This move seem strange but it is early December. You have to wait till all the moves are done. The winter meetings have just started and last year we even saw signings as late as February. When pitchers and catchers report, we should have a better feel for how Hahn has spent money and hopefully improved the roster.

Just me but I live part of year in New England. No White Sox rumors I have seen lately. But I don't see us trading w Boston since they want young staring pitching so you can bet Cease would be their target.

He had a hell of a year. But he is 36 so I think if you are trading Lopez, you want to get someone who would give you 3-4 years. Morton pitched almost 200 innings last year so maybe he can go to 38-39 but it would be risky.

Snell just signed a 5/$50 in the spring so I would think at that price the Rays would want a haul. The Pham trade is still not complete. Some questions on his elbow remain.

Not sure they even have one in stock, but saw an MSN article today listing GM's on the hot seat. Our very own Rick Hahn was listed. I stopped reading the article at that point.

Very possible. You would hope they are being consulted especially if it is a trade scenario. But even FA signings must involve a "group" decision as to what the scouts have seen/heard about a FA target's most recent performance as well as clubhouse effect.

Couldn't the agent also be a possibility?

Ozuna has experience as a RF but most of it was his 1st year(2013) in Majors. He has only played 65 games there and 36 were in 2013. Since then he has very limited appearances,

What is the estimates on a Ryu contract? He is a Boras guy which usually means wait the market out. But this year seems to be take the best early offer. If Wheeler got $ 18 does Ryu get maybe $16 for 3 yrs ( -for age+ for LH)?

Agree but Anderson, Moncada and Eloy have shown to be solid additions and we shall see w Vaughn, Robert and Madrigal. If we get 5 or 6 that is pretty good production even if a couple got partial development elsewhere.

But guys like Dunning, Foster, Flores and Lambert were all added to 40 man so they must "excite" the FO some.

He or MadBum may make the most sense since we really need a LH starter especially w Rodon still out for a while.

It seems that way but players emerge. Some players in Class A this year will jump out in AA next year.

That is what Rays aside meant. You missed the whole concept.

Guess it is a negative w existing players as well. Blake Snell sounds off https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/12/06/he-said-what-live-stream-captures-rays-ace-blake-snells-exasperated-reaction-to-tommy-pham-trade/23875323/

They are looking for aback-up catcher. Vazquez played 130 games this year. I would assume they also want a LH since they dumped Leon who was LH.

Rays aside because I am not sure they will draw under any situation. , I wonder how good that is for fan support. Fans love winners but they also love their favorite players. A turnstile roster may frustrate the fan base.

Exactly. Bad gambles are just part of their roster structure.

But this is not new. Panda in Boston, Ellsbury in New York, Barry Zito in SF, and Ryan Howard in Philly to name a few. Many teams just move on to the next target especially the big spenders.

Just a numbers thing. It would be interesting if we hear more about the overall process. To me, $118Mil seems like an odd number especially if the White Sox offered $125. It almost seems like the $118 was topping a $115 offer from someone. Maybe Sox were at $100, someone else was at 115 and Phils went to $118. Sox then went to $125? Maybe I am way off, but I would have thought $120 would have been the counter if Phils knew he was hoping to go to Philly. Maybe everybody offered $100 and the $18 and $25 are all incentives added.

If you don't like a poster, don't read his posts. Totally trashing him is very childish.

Not for $5 Mil. I disagree. When you are signing a $100 Mil contract, 5Mil is not a major chunk. Tax rates are different in each state. So are cost of living expenses. So is where their family lives. If you are talking $15+ Million difference , I would agree the money decides. But not $1 mil per year, I think other factors like AL/NL, playoff potential, manager/pitching coach, roster etc can all be factors if the two offers are pretty close.

Agree. I am saying if he is weighing pretty comparable AL vs NL deals.

I wonder if a guy like Wheeler would prefer to stay in NL because of no DH and being familiar w the hitters or would he prefer the AL because the hitters would not be as familiar w his stuff.