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Listening to a CSN podcast with Bob Nightengale. Chuck Garfein asked about the trade being done before, during or after the Winter Meetings and he said after. He also asked a percentage of the chances it happens and he said 75%. https://audioboom.com/posts/5289197-ep-7-te...-for-chris-sale

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:22 PM) And that's why a team will give the White Sox a haul for Sale and/or Q. The market for free agent pitchers is trash. They'll cave and give a haul for Sale AND Q. I really believe that because they won't have to give a decent pitcher $150 mil. They'll give a haul for aces who are on fabulous team friendly contracts.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:33 PM) I could be completely wrong but I think there's a reason why National Writers haven't linked the Dodgers and Red Sox to Sale trade talks. Those are the 2 teams with the most interest. All of the rest of these are leaks for whatever reason. I have no doubt Atlanta wants Chris Sale. They don't have the pieces though. I bet it's the Dodgers unless DD ponies up. I still think the Yankees are a sleeping giant in this whole Sale saga. I just can't forget what Joel Sherman said at the trade deadline about the Yankees and Chris Sale. I think they'll be in it near the end.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:28 PM) This isn't an exact science. The Sox are the king of "awesome trade at the time" and then it never works out. Their moves have been applauded by all the big writers the past few offseasons not that it means anything but regardless, a lot of this is a crap shoot. As long as the Sox can stop acquiring veterans who inevitably perform in the 10-30th percentiles they'll be fine with a proper rebuild. Avisail Garcia started seven games in centerfield in August and September of a season where the White Sox lost 99 games 3 years ago. Could you at least come up with a semi-pertinent gripe? You're still complaining about the drafting strategy the Sox had two scouting directors ago... You say they can't develop any hitting whatsoever. They just developed a franchise SS who they picked #17 overall in a bad draft. That SS put up more WAR in a half of one season than any player in that draft has that isn't named Kris Bryant. That player was supposed to be super raw and everyone b****ed (myself included) that the Sox moved him too quickly. He is one of the five most valuable assets in that draft and already the second most productive player from that draft. The following two years they selected the two most accomplished college pitching arms and followed it up with the most polished college bat. Your gripes are jaded and would be relevant in November of 2013 but times have changed. Sox have already improved player development dramatically despite the 2013 narratives appearing ad nausem. If the Sox hit this rebuild right (some will get pissed, but it's not that hard to do with the assets they have at their disposal) they'll be in fine shape soon enough with financial flexibility and a load of young talent. As long as they don't continue to get of the worst return in the league on their investments in FA and inoffseason trades they should be in great position for playoffs come 2019. Would I want to be ready this year, of course, but it is what it is and at least they've addressed their issues (to your point, other than KW and Bell), they've picked a lane and they're doing what's best for the org. Scouting and drafting in any sport isn't an exact science. You can hit or miss up and down the draft board.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:15 PM) I would say he is a lousy source. There is no way Boston would trade JBJ and Benintendi in any trade. That would leave them with 2 starting outfield vacancies. These people are just throwing stuff out and hoping something sticks. Dude pay attention. It was said he was speaking hypothetically.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 06:33 PM) No chance Agreed but that's what he said he'd need. He said Sale is so good and a sure thing that ya need a monster deal. I think we're gona be shocked at what we get. I really do. Once teams get a sense Sale is close to going to Team A, then Teams B, C, D, etc. will up their offers and it'll be a mad house.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 06:30 PM) JBJ, Benintendi, Devers and Kopech and you'd have to pick my drool up off the floor. I'd do that and flip JBJ to Houston.... I'd faint.

Callis talking about a package from Boston of JBJ, Moncada or Benintendi, Devers and Kopech. Edit: This was his hypothetical ideas of what HE'D want.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 06:22 PM) A package around Odor, Mazara and Gallo would excite me I edited my post to include that snippet I didn't read before I posted this. If we got Odor in the deal, I'd go crazy.

http://m.rangers.mlb.com/news/article/2089.../?tcid=tw_share "The Rangers' most attractive bargaining chips are their top young players: second baseman Rougned Odor, infielders Jurickson Profar and Joey Gallo, and outfielder Nomar Mazara. All were discussed in July." Here come the Rangers, as we all expected.

Bregman, Tucker, Martes, and one more and I could roll with that.

Robertson had knee surgery recently didn't he?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) Buddy Bell isn't involved in acquisitions and evals he's in charge of overseeing the development of players in the minor leagues. The people involved in this process are: 1.) KW/Hahn - negotiations, deal framework, risk diversification, money, etc. This has been mostly Hahn since even before he took over as GM. That doesn't mean he isn't acting under the direction of his boss though. Hopefully were past that. 2.) Jeremy Haber/Dan Fabian - Haber weighs in on evals and makes player recs. Fabian is the head of all analytics adding support or guidance where needed. 3.) Professional scouts - The guys who were scouting any player the Sox may potentially acquire back in July-September. They also scout the prospects in the AFL. 4.) Amateur scouts - They weigh in on guys who were recent draft picks. So for instance, the Southeastern amateur college scouts would give their notes on Benintendi and they would be vetted against the scouts in the Eastern League or more likely, the Carolina League who watched Benintendi this year. Plus you have a lot of scouts who are either higher in rank or assigned to cold or less fruitful areas who watch players like, say Cody Bellinger, in his high school showcases or National exposure games. 5.) Marco Paddy - If the Sox are trading with the Dodgers and Yadier Alvarez was in play, they'd call Marco Paddy who told me he specifically saw Alvarez when he was still in Cuba. 6.) Dan Stritmatter (sp?) - He handles video coordination and works hand-in-hand with Fabian. If they wanted to find tape of a lesser known guy who's rounding out a package this is where they turn. The Sox FO's has been inadequate in plenty of different ways over the years. Even so, as much as the lazy narratives around here would lead you to think it's just Kenny Williams, Rick Hahn and in your case, Buddy Bell, just sitting in an office bulls***ting up a package that's simply not the case. They have been working and preparing for a trade with at least the Red Sox and Dodgers for almost a half year. Given what I was told around the deadline that never came into fruition, they've probably been set and prepared to sell just didn't get the okay from management until this offseason. This is fabulous insight man. Thank you very much.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 04:14 PM) I don't see any way the Sox make a deal without Swanson headlining it. I like Albies, and there is alot to be said for a 19 year old making it to AAA, but his numbers did take a dip at AAA after the promotion Albies + Newcomb plus filler does not get it done like the article suggests, especially with other suitors involved Blair and Wisler profile as back of the rotation starters and do not excite me Absolutely Dansby Swanson is in the deal for Chris Sale. I just don't like Atlanta prospects. The ones they trade just seem to always struggle and suck.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 04:12 PM) Like I said previously, I think the Braves could put together a good enough package, but if the top teams wanted to do so, they could easily beat it. That's where I think Atlanta is lacking. That the deeper farm systems will get it done over them unless the big dogs just flat out refuse to give the Sox what they want.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 02:37 PM) Projection modules, scouting, access and evals have improved since then. Remember when we were saying "There's no way the Cubs can hit on all of these prospects." Cubs top 10 from beginning of 2015 1.) Kris Bryant - MVP 2.) Addison Russell - All Star 3.) Jorge Soler - Perhaps the biggest let down and he's still potentially a decent player. 4.) Kyle Schwarber - Great hitter 5.) CJ Edwards - set up man 6.) Albert Almora - likely their CF next year and he's an absolute gazelle out there. That's not even including Javy Baez or Wilson Contreras who are big parts of their future. So take their starting lineup on any given day and they will have anywhere from 5-7 guys (Rizzo, Heyward, Zobrist being the exceptions) that were top ten prospects for them somewhere from 2014-2016. Also factoring in the White Sox aren't trading Sale for 18 year olds. They're targeting near ready players. Now I know there's no guarantee they hit but I'm confident in Hahn's ability to make the right deals. He's shown that while being our GM.

I think ya trade Q because his value will never be higher.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 12:04 PM) The player that is a must in a deal with the Braves is Kevin Maitan. Realistically you build a deal that starts with Swanson, Maitan, Allard, and go from there, you could build a solid deal. I would expect that teams like Boston, Los Angeles, Houston, and the Yankees could outbid that if they wanted to. That's what I'm anticipating honestly. The big dogs will outbid anyone.

Why it doesn't scare me? We've sucked since 2008.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 11:52 AM) Fixed. I thinks that's understood because it's been stated multiple times we don't have to move either one.

You move Q as well. Sale and Q have the most value

Use Atlanta for leverage.

Interest isn't the issue. It's getting that one team to give you what you want for Sale.

Eaton, like Sale and Q, would need a blown away package. He's 28 and will not be be a happy camper if we trade most of the veterans. We don't have to move him but he could be a possibility.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 11:10 PM) Look, I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. Regardless, I'm pretty happy with a package built around four BA top 100 prospects (two of which are top 25 guys, another is a top 50), a 20 year old ranked as their #1 prospect by Fangraphs, a 2017 first round comp pick, and a sleeper catching prospect just begging for an opportunity. If Chris Sale wasn't the primary trade piece, I'd feel ridiculous putting all those names in one proposal. Honestly, if blue chippers like Benintendi, Bergman, & Urias are off the table, this is about as good as a deal as we can get. I thought Urias was offered at the deadline?