Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 03:52 PM) The Yankees make a lot of sense but Frazier is in their immediate future, baby bombers and yankees in general are looking pretty good for 3-4 year window starting this year. DH Brett Gardner* - 33 and on the last year of his deal. C Gary Sanchez - 24 looking above average behind the dish under control for 5 years after '17 1B Greg Bird* - 24 has had some health issues and strike out issues but will get a chance to work through both of them. under control for 4 more years after '17. 2B Starling Castro - 27 looks to be back to delivering on his promise below average defensively at 2B under control for 3 years after '17 SS Didi Gregorius* - 28 above average defensively and under control for 2 more years after '17 3B Gleyber Torres - 20 has already begun seeing time at 3B full control. LF Clint Frazier - 22 likely destined for a corner where he will be average, full control as well. CF Aaron Hicks# - 28 what a steal for JR Murphy if this is for real under control for 2 more years. RF Aaron Judge - 26 under control for 4 years after this one Luis Severino is 23 and under control for 3 more years Masahiro Tanaka is 28 and if he doesn't opt out will be under control for 2 more years. Jordan Montgomery* is 24 and they'll have full control over him. their backed is locked up for at least two more years, Dellin Betances is a FA after 19, Chapman will be in the second year of his deal and Warren is a FA after '18. They will all be 30 starting next season as well. I could see the yankees QO Michael Pineda and buying out CC and bringing him back on a reduced deal. But as a whole Torres and Frazier appears to be the end of the yankees rebuild and they'll have vet back ups in Ellsbury and Headley if they need a break or stumble. Their only weakness is a TOR arm and a 5th starter provided Tanaka doesn't opt out and a solid back up catcher since Romine is garbage. having said all that i could see us matching up with them with something like Rutherford, Sheffield or Adams & Miguel Andujar for Q. You seem to have forgotten about the 4 remaining years on Ellsbury.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 03:04 PM) Moustakas just hit his 16th homer, fwiw. That said, Frazier will have a significantly lower asking price...who else needs a 3B right now? Either one of those guys would fit well in Boston. Sandoval only at 616 ops. Obviously Todd can DH and play 1b as well. Boston and Yankees perhaps.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 10:11 AM) For those who follow college ball more than I, does anyone keep a somewhat up to date mock of the 2018 draft? Curious to see where Beer is slotted these days. Thanks. Can't really have a mock draft without knowing the draft order. Do you mean rankings?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 01:06 AM) I really think the people that want the Sox to lose every game would be a fascinating study for a thesis on the brain of a sports fan. I think it would be discovered that deep down you are oh, so content during a so-called rebuild because you can puff your chests out and brag to Cub fans and others who would normally mock you or console you after a loss. You don't have to have your pride out there night after night during the season, your mood dependent on whether the White Sox win or lose. Now, thanks to the "rebuild" (lol on rebuild), you can (illogically but in your minds logically) smile at the antagonistic Cub fan or friend and say, 'What? I wanted to lose tonight. I got exactly what I wanted, a loss." The Cub fan or other person mocking you or consoling you for the Sox loss might add, "Oh you wanted them to lose cause you've finally come to your senses and stopped being a Sox fan?" You then would respond: "No. I want them to lose cause we are rebuilding and I want us to get the No. 1 pick in the baseball draft preferably but top three would be OK I guess." And that fan would say, "Oh," and leave the scene with the same look we all had today after John McCain's bizarre conversation with Comey. Jesus someone is obsessed with this.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 07:32 PM) Orioles have no power Trumbo, Davis and Machado beg to differ.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 01:40 PM) Avi is old news. Many fans like you want the mysterious future guy. I wonder if the young guy we take in the draft will ever have a stretch like Avi had to open this season. Some of his hits have been monumental. It's a fair question BTW. There are so many busts in the first round of the draft. Hope Avi continues to have a good season and doesn't flame out again but you can't take away what he did for 2 months. It's funny that before/beginning of the season when you used to say we should have gone for it this year and then went on to list every position we needed (spoilers: there was a lot with no solutions from you), you always listed a DH and an OF as needs. The OF would have replaced Garcia.

Here's a mock from yesterday (Ryan Phillips from thebiglead.com?): http://thebiglead.com/2017/06/07/2017-mlb-...greene-wind-up/

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) Yeah, I'd be floored if both Beck and Kendall made it to us at 11. I'd take either, but definitely want one of the two. Imagine if Haseley was there (a mock draft dated yesterday has us taking him at 11).

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 11:09 AM) I said this earlier in the thread, but I'm also no rooting for all individual players to do poorly. I want Avi to be a real baseball player, Q/Gonzo/Shields to all pitch well enough to be traded, Frazier to remember how to hit, etc. etc.....But I also want them to lose as many games as possible. I know both of those may not be possible, but that's what I'm 'rooting' for. Hopefully we can unload at the deadline and have those losses pile up. It's definitely possible for both to happen. You could have a starter go 6-7 innings giving up 2-3 runs and the bullpen comes in and does while Frazier goes 2-3 with a HR and they lose 3-1, 3-2. Or there are games where the offense does good but the starters maybe give up 4 runs. Maybe guys get hits only when no one is on base. Definitely a lot of scenarios where you can have a decent amount of guys doing well but still losing consistently.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) Me too. Hell I would probably drive him to his next destination and let him pick out the radio station. Lol same.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 10:52 AM) The problem is it isn't that simple. If you suck, that usually is because your players all suck. The Sox still have enough guys on this roster that could have trade value. Looking at what major leaguers bring back in trades versus was statistical expectations are from kids in the drafter at relative draft positions, the White Sox stand to gain MUCH more in the long term by winning 75 games because guys like Yolmer Sanchez and Avi Garcia had break out seasons and exploded their trade value than if we just outright sucked all around. Take the Sale deal. We essentially got 3 advanced and years matured first round pick talents, plus another flyer for Sale. We could do the same for Q if he pitches well. If Avi keeps hitting like an all-star we could pull another large package for him, versus his being a DFA if he has another poor season. Looking at the whole body of work, we could be talking like 10 additional top flight prospects in our system because our players are good enough to win games, versus just better draft position in each round if not. If a team offers the Sox anything of value (a top 100 prospect and a few more highly touted guys) I'd pack Avi's bags and drive him to the airport myself.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 10:48 AM) This is pretty much exactly the way I feel. Also how I feel.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) See, that's where I think you're wrong. I understand and appreciate the rebuild. The losses don't both me. It's openly rooting for losing that is ridiculous. This team isn't very good, and they are going to lose a lot, and that is fine, but turning on the game and hoping that someone like Miguel Gonzalez gets lit up so the Sox gain a game in the draft is crazy. The possible trade pieces have to at least do good.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 10:05 AM) To each their own. I will never enjoy the White Sox losing. I don't think it's really about getting enjoyment out of their losses. Just accepting that it may be better in the long run. Fortunately for us, this is year 1 of a rebuild and whether we want them or not, the losses will pile up regardless.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 7, 2017 -> 09:16 PM) 1. Philly (-14) 2. SD 0.5 GB 3. SF 1.0 GB 4. Miami 3 GB 5. Atlanta 3 GB 6. NYM 3.5 GB CHW 3.5 GB OAK 3.5 GB PITT 3.5 GB 10. KCR 4.0 GB 11. STL 4.5 GB TEX 4.5 GB This isn't technically a tie. We are above NYM and PIT. It goes by last year's draft order when there is a tie in standings. We are currently 7th. On a side-note, wow that NL East is dog sh!t.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 08:38 AM) He hasn't played in a year. His first couple of games, I think there will be overreaction either way. Of course there will be.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 07:36 AM) Centerfield "When" not "where."

I'm back on the Beer train. It looks like he finished strong since I last checked a few months ago when I was down on him. 16 HR, 64 BB (21.4% rate), 35 ks (11.7% rate), .298 AVG, .478 OBP, .606 SLG. If a team believes he can stick anywhere on the field (whether it be LF or 1B), he could legit middle of the order bat for a while.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 06:49 AM) This really news? Figured everyone knew he was a cheater when he had two kids with two different woman less than a year apart. Oh, I guess the domestic violence is new though. Cubs fans will surely come to his support like they did with previous heros Aroldis Chapman & Starlin Castro. Can confirm. My boss at my last company I worked for lives (maybe he moved out since?) in the same building as him and like 6 other Cubs players (it's a block from the stadium so it makes sense for some of the younger guys). And I feel like adultery/cheating seems pretty obvious when players (any sports) are on the road anywhere from 7-10 months of the year. Isn't that one of the reasons Josh Fields wanted to retire after like his first year with us? Considering he had only played with the Sox at that point, obviously some players were banging women that were not their wives.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 7, 2017 -> 05:13 PM) What city? ...Tampa?

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 7, 2017 -> 03:39 AM) What's up with you and your Rodon hate? ? He didn't appear to throw any shade at Rodon in that post.

Trade value!!!

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 6, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) With his agent it is almost 100% guaranteed that he'll be hitting the open market and asking for a lot...probably much more than the Sox are going to be willing to pay (unless by that time they are under new ownership.) Taking all that into account you move him if there is a very good offer on the table. The issue is that I don't think Rodon has ever been healthy and contributed for a full season in his short career. That certainly could limit trade opportunities...at least getting something making a deal worthwhile in my opinion. Yeah, you probably have to wait until at least 2018/2019 off-season to even consider it.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jun 6, 2017 -> 07:21 AM) I'm not writing Quintana off after a very bad 2 months, but he needs an equally strong 2 months to re-emerge as the top pitcher on the market come July else there's no sense in moving him until he has rebounded. Question on Rodon for the larger group. If he comes back to pitch this season (and he is on track too by all reports) and show his top of the rotation type stuff consistently, do the White Sox trade him in the off-season? He's a Boras agent and the clock is ticking. If the White Sox are good in 2-3 years from now, isn't he a free agent after another year or two beyond that? Does it make sense to keep a guy around who has little chance on being here beyond his rookie/arbitration years? I would definitely listen on Rodon. Trade him for the right offer. He might only be here for 1 or 2 years of the Sox being good and that's if everything goes right.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 01:49 PM) I'm sick of the bunts. As far as the bullpen usage goes WTF is he supposed to even do when your starters are this bad and/or can't go more than 80 pitches? The injuries to the rotation have finally caught up to the Sox the past two weeks and it's showing in the strain on the pen. I really, really, really want to see Shields, Lopez and Rodon in this rotation by July. Start building some trade value for Shields and start building for the future with Rodon and Lopez. Same. We need a biter(s) on Gonzalez or Holland first though.