Tony

Given what we know about how Jerry runs an organization, the above seems totally ass backwards to me. Signing a 300 million dollar player is never going to happen with JR alive. I question if we ever see a $100 million dollar contract given. Player salaries will always tower over any other cost associated with the team when it comes to the balance sheet. Because of that, if I had the restrictions that I’m sure Getz has, I’d be investing as many resources as possible in pitching labs, new tech, and FO staff that can put you ahead of who you are competing against. FO expenses are fractions of a cost compared to player salaries. It’s why the Rays, Brewers, etc have been successful. Being “average” at everything is going to get you exactly what you’re asking for. A very average W-L record. If you gave me these two choices: A. Killer developmental staff but same payroll as Twins B. Average staff but $35 million more in payroll room I’d take Door A everytime for the White Sox

I was told earlier in this thread Paul DePodesta was doing a great job with the Browns 🙄

So using this logic (using that term pretty fast and loose here, I’ll admit that), are you saying that because you’ve agreed with the “process” Getz has gone through as Head of Baseball Ops for the White Sox, if the “outcome” of his rebuild doesn’t result in sustained success, everything is good? Put another way, in 6 years from now, if Getz has a GM record of 243-729, but we all look back at the hires he made in 2024 and 2025 and the “process” he has described, you’ll be happy?

I will go to the grave believing if Andrew Vaughn was drafted and developed by a better organization, he's a totally different, and better MLB hitter than he is today. What a waste.

I’m certainly not going to argue, it’s entirely possible 😂

I just looked at the Sox 40 man because I was/am sure there are plenty of guys you can DFA, and was shocked at how many guys I've straight up never heard of, some that actually got time with the Sox last year. Fraser Ellard? Prelander Berrora? Ron Marinaccio? Gus Varland? Man, it's a rough list lol

This is SO Bears

After watching the presser…odds seem very low they won’t overthink this and f*** it up. It’s the Bears

Which Organizations Are The Worst At Identifying Talent? 24 scouts responded to this question. Below are the results sorted by descending order of percentage, with vote totals included in parentheses. White Sox — 50% (12) Athletics — 46% (11) Angels/Marlins — 38% (9) Rockies — 33% (8) Blue Jays — 21% (5) Guardians — 17% (4) Cubs/Nationals/Reds/Red Sox — 13% (3) Astros/Braves/Brewers/Giants/Mets — 8% (2) Cardinals/Mariners/Orioles/Pirates/Rays/Royals/Twins/Yankees— 4% (1) Diamondbacks/Dodger/ Padres/Phillies/Rangers/Tigers — 0% (0) A number of clubs got more detailed feedback in this category: the Guardians with high school players; the Astros, Cubs and Braves as teams trending down at talent identification; one scout who viewed the Nationals and White Sox as being “way behind.” One scout didn’t mention a specific team but said more generally: “Any org that relies only on data or still fully on a scout’s opinion. There is room for a blend and discussion on players.”

This all seems the most likely, and also the worst case scenario lol

This. While this team is a joke and maddening, if people want to enjoy the win, let them.

These guys are such fucking bums

I wouldn't show anyone the first three quarters then

I really don't even know, it very well could be. But it's very, very broken

I honestly don’t understand it. I don’t care how bad the line may be, this is a joke. I don’t understand how it can be this broken

See, this is where you’re wrong. That’s not my expectation. Far from it. What you just described is exactly how the White Sox have operated the last three decades, and I want something more than that.

I didn’t say I wanted to give Santander 5 years at 100 million, you did. I’ll make it simpler for some folks: - I want more quality players on the Sox - I don’t want to see the team I root for win 50 games a season consistently. - I don’t have an issue spending money while the team is “rebuilding” - I don’t really care if the contract doesn’t work out as intended, and I have an expectation as a fan that a team won’t let that contract get in the way from achieving the ultimate goal of winning, especially when their isn’t a salary cap in baseball. I don’t expect the White Sox to do any of the above. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be what the standard is.

I also disagree with this. As Ray pointed out, if there was history to tell us “ok the payroll is going to be historically low but when guys start to develop, that saved money is going right back into the payroll” but that’s not how it works. It’s just going into the pockets of ownership. This team still has no foundation. Is signing Santander going to make a Sox a contender? Absolutely not. Is he going to make the lineup better? Yes, and he’s not going to be blocking anyone, because there is no one to block. There were a few boobs here saying “there is no difference in losing 100 games and 120 games.” Which most of us, myself included, strongly disagreed with. But that works both ways. There is a difference between winning 60 games and 75 games. And I think a lot of fans are starved, and deserve some competitive baseball on the South Side. The point is adding some actual talent to the 2025 team shouldn’t be a bad thing. It simply costs money, and shouldn’t take away from the efforts of actually rebuilding the right way. You should be able to do two things at once. The Sox probably can’t because they’re incompetent, but that’s also not an excuse for them.

That requires money.

That is another reason on a long list of reasons why you don't bring him back. He's going to be GM'ing with a different motive in mind, trying to fix this as quickly as possible to "right" his "wrongs" so to speak. I want the right process, not him dealing capital away for giant swings because he has something to prove. It's time to turn the page. But they won't.

I agree, and right or wrong, feel like he'd play more on a "good team" and not clock out twice every other game

Not sure if this is frustrating or a positive, but the Bears could make HUGE additions this offseason if done correctly. They will have 3 picks basically inside the Top 40 of the draft (I think the Bears pick 2nd rounder will be No. 41) but they could grab two OL and an edge rusher, all who should be starters. You can, and should probably back up the brinks truck for Trey Smith in free agency, as the Bears will have the money. You could start next season with something like: LT: Will Campbell LG: Tevan Jenkins (I'd probably bring him back even though I don't want to) C : 2nd Round Selection RG: Trey Smith RT: Darnell Wright You take a DE with the other 2nd rounder, and I may follow it up with another edge in Round 3. That is a totally new line that ideally has 3 anchors in Smith, Wright and Campbell on it that are foundation pieces for the next 3-4 years. You hopefully hit on the DE's because the pass rush has to get signficantly better as well to have any shot on defense consistently. Billings coming back next season will also help against the run

I’m sure there is reservations, as well their should be. However, if Johnson is set on becoming a HC this offseason, I do think the Bears are one of the better options, because Caleb. They have the QB, on a rookie deal for the next 4 seasons. That alone makes it fairly appealing, in my opinion.

But don’t know why they can’t do both. You can land Ben Johnson without having Ryan Poles at the helm, especially if Johnson has a pro personnel guy he wants to bring in. To me, landing Ben Johnson isn’t the No. 1 priority. I say that because Ben Johnson will suffer the same fate as Matt Nagy, Matt Eberflus, and everyone else if the roster isn’t improved. He may have some great offensive ideas, but they won’t work with Larry Borom Matt Pryor and Jake Curran blocking for Caleb. It’s like hiring the best chef in the world and telling him he can only shop at 7-Eleven for ingredients.