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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) That's truly a warranted concern and I did suggest firing Forman. Matt Lloyd was instrumental in many of their solid picks including (Butler, Taj). I never said it would definitely work. I said it's a better option. Markelle Fulz of Washington, Dennis Smith of NC State and Lonzo Ball from UCLA are high quality PG prospects that should be top 3 picks. Draft also has a few Kentucky players, Josh Jackson from Kansas and Jonathan Isaac from FSU not to mention others. It's a great draft. If it wasn't I wouldn't be suggesting what I'm suggesting. That's true. Your plan is definitely logical and would make sense for any team other than the Bulls. The Bulls simply haven't shown that they know how to draft/develop as of late, so I'm still skeptical that they'd win a potential Butler deal. I just think that given their front office deficiencies and other circumstances, I think the Bulls are better off patching the team around Butler than starting over and hoping to hit it big with a bunch of unknowns.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) Who are you adding? Wade needs to leave in order for the Bulls to offer another max contract. The only guy that I could see coming to Chicago is Gordon Hayward. Hello 6th seed. Jimmy Butler is 28 years old. There is no path to being good with him the next 2 seasons. After that, he will need a new contract. Free agents won't be leaving their teams as much anymore. They especially won't be coming here. I've offered a plan. Nobody else has. You guys all say "add better players, draft better, you have a superstar get another one" and I hear "blahblahblah yay playoff basketball again". This organization is the biggest f***ing joke in Chicago. They have 1 option. Tear it to the ground. Building around Butler keeps you competitive but doesn't put you in the discussion to win titles. It's just kicking the can down the road. This plan isn't necessarily feasible but it's best option: Trade Niko and Taj for whatever you can get. Fire Gar Forman. Hire Matt Lloyd as GM. Trade Jimmy Butler for 2017 Brooklyn swap and 2018 Brooklyn 1st along with some combination of players from Boston. Dwyane Wade opts out. Bulls are bad the rest of the year and end up with a top 10 pick. Bulls also move Kings into the 11-14 range and take Brooklyn's top 3 selection. 3 lottery picks in this draft, one of which should be 1 of the big 3 PG's sets the Bulls up nicely into the future. They'd also have 2 lottery picks next year. They'd be bad and Boston may not make that deal but this gives you a much more realistic path to a title than patching s*** around Jimmy Butler does. It won't happen though because Michael Reinsdorf likes selling bobble heads and collecting playoff revenue. 1998 was a long ass time ago. What you're failing to address in this gigantic wall of text is the fact that the Bulls haven't drafted a productive player in quite some time. Why does that change now? They could trade Butler, draft busts with those lottery picks, and then they'll be in a worse position than they were with Butler. I have no confidence in the Bulls to make the right personnel decisions.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 10:51 AM) Find other players to build around him. You start with 1 superstar so easier to find a 2nd. When you have none, it is hard to even get to one, let alone two or three. I've given plenty of examples of teams with one star who waited out and then finally got the right piece. It could be via free agency, it could be via trade. I'm not dealing Butler today unless we get a massive haul. I also really haven't yet seen a team succeed through a "tank" strategy, but I've seen a lot of teams suck for a really long time because they can never get the good players in the draft. Exactly. Unlike baseball, the NBA is a superstar driven league. Now I know Butler is LeBron or anything, but he's a quasi-superstar and could potentially attract premier free agents. I've seen James' plan and while it's not a bad idea, I have absolutely no faith in the Bulls to take a future superstar with those lottery picks they'd get for Butler. Look at McDermott. Look at Mirotic. Look at Portis. Look at all the busts they've drafted lately. Why would that change now?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 10:46 AM) Do you really believe that or just making fun of me? I'm just playing with you on the 20 cents part, but yes, I really do think they should build around Butler instead of tearing it all down.

My $0.2 is that they should build around Butler.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 07:33 AM) I was going to propose that exact package or one with Reed instead of Laureano. Regardless, I think either package would be very solid from an overall talent perspective, falling somewhere between the Sale & Eaton returns. Sure, Tucker may not be the positional headliner we were dreaming of, but I honestly think there's a good chance he's a top 20 prospect by mid-season. Laureano seems to be criminally underrated and Reed would be a great buy-low candidate. And while that pick is effectively a low end #2 pick, Hostetler was able to land Hansen, Call, & Fisher after the first round in last year's draft. And I haven't even mentioned Martes who gives us another starting pitching prospect with TOR potential. There's a lot to like here, although I can see why some posters would be disappointed, especially if they don't believe Tucker's power will ever develop or if they think Martes is ultimately a reliever. In all honesty I like Laureano more than Reed. It's a fair deal for sure. I would take it for sure if they offered both Laureano and Reed instead of just one.

Seth Beer is the only one I want.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 07:15 AM) I agree with this. I don't think Hahn will necessarily settle, but I do think he'll take something near the bottom end of his acceptable range that some posters here may find dissapointing. Personally, I'd be ecstatic with a four player package from Houston that was headlined by Martes & Tucker. Given the depth of their system a newly available comp pick, the 3rd & 4th pieces could be incredibly valuable. I feel like Martes/Tucker/Laureano/Pick is a fair deal. I think Hahn could get more if he waited but I understand why he wouldn't want to.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 06:48 AM) Things just might be heating up with the Astros. Phil Rogers says we have revisited traded talks with Houston. The Astros were just awarded two additional draft picks for the next draft. And finally, Bob Nightengale with the obvious Sox office front leak stating talks with divisional rival Texas are getting more serious. I'll continue to shout this, but a move prior to season start makes too much sense for both clubs. The AL West is going to be competitive and I'm not sure Houston can afford to wait to fill what appears to be a pretty big need. Meanwhile, moving Quintana before opening day greatly improves our tank efforts. I'm not sure what the holdup is here, but I'm getting more confident these teams will find a happy medium before opening day with Martes, Tucker, ++ coming back to the southside for Quintana. Where and when did he say this?

To me, Seth Beer is on par with Kris Bryant as the type of player that can change the outlook of a franchise. The Sox have to do whatever they possibly can to get him.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 03:56 PM) Sooooo anyone think we are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel here? Nope. 6 more months of this.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 03:42 PM) You have your hopes set way too high C'mon man. That's a straight s***ty offer. Mazara is nice, but Profar has less control than Q and has been mediocre at best in the big leagues. I don't know a whole lot about Mendez but I think they could get a nice position player as the 3rd piece from someone else.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) Mazara, Profar, Mendez and a flier. This return would be way too light IMO.

Hahn is probably trying to get Lunhow to make a move.

I know he isn't on the Sox anymore, but I thought this might be a cool article to share if someone wanted to read it. I really like the guy and wish he was still on our team. It is what it is though. I know it was for the best but he was a fantastic player. http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-nation...to-the-pressure

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) Not in the least bit concerned about when Q goes. The rumors over the last two seasons said Hahn and KW were split on the direction of the team. KW and JR pushing to contend with Hahn looking to rebuild. Unfortunately the contending route didn't work so now begins a rebuild. Not "retooling on the fly" no "3 year window" nonsense, an actual rebuild. Hahn knows all eyes are on him so it looks like Hahn is being very calculated and taking his time to make sure he gets this right the first time around because there won't be a second. He knows he needs to maximize every trade. To me, this is his baby and there's no middle ground so here either comes out of this rebuild looking like a genius or looking for another job. Personally, I think Hahn will do just fine. This is the best thing I've ever read on here.

QUOTE (MDWhiteSoxFan @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 07:12 PM) It's like a drug, I think we all need an intervention Also I think it's even worse when we have a thread closed on Q, then a tweet comes and a new one opens. IT's a vicious cycle haha Exactly. I never get tired of talking Sox baseball, but even if I did, I wouldn't b**** and moan about other people still doing it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 04:33 PM) Or we come into a thread hoping to see updates from twitter, etc., only to see the 500th trade proposal asking for Cubs prospects or Meadows What do you expect? This offseason has been extremely boring and there hasn't been a new rumor for quite some time, so we're forced to talk about the same recycled topics over and over again. Typically the thread title will change if there's an update.

It's not like anyone is forced to read this thread. Just don't open it if you don't want to. It's that's simple.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 03:01 PM) Man, I know its all we got right now but how are you guys still interested with offering up hypothetical's for Q? Havent we already ran through about all the possibilities like 1000 times through, if not more, for each possibility multiple times? You know what, you're exactly right. I don't think the Sox are that far away from competing, but they need another ace and a solid outfielder to replace Avi. Moncada, Kopech, Basabe, and Diaz for Chris Sale and Giolito, Lopez, and Dunning for Adam Eaton could get the Sox back in contention. What do you think?

A deal with the Cubs would have to involve Eloy, Happ, and Candelario. Minimum.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 12:53 PM) Well, we have an ace for the first half of 2017, it seems. Quintana isn't an ace you idiot, just look at his win/loss record. 4th starter at best.

I might be in the minority but I really like Ramon Laureano and hope he would be a piece in any Astros trade.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 08:35 AM) Would you guys do Martes, Tucker, Reed or Laureano, and the 75th pick in the draft? Yes. In a perfect world I'd like both Reed and Laureano but that probably won't happen.

Could the Astros theoretically trade the 56th pick they just got as well if they wanted to?