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Your heart/plan is in the right place. Still I think it would be better if JR sold the team. If he sold the team Hahn and company would be gone.
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The Yankees can take both Fulmer and Giolito for Gray as far as I'm concerned. I can't imagine the Yankees wanting either one but if they wanted them both they can have them.
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Sox have "flexibility" to add "long term pieces"
WBWSF replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I'm just wondering if the White Sox are not going to sign any big free agents and just keep going with the young players from their system. I could be wrong about this but that's how it looks to me. -
Give me one example of a MLB GM who hasn't had a winning season in 6 years who still has a GM job? Footlongcomiskey started a post a few weeks back about how this rebuild is a epic failure. He listed most of the moves made by Hahn. You could get into a serious discussion on this site as to what were Hahns worse moves. His drafts, trades or free agent signings. He has missed on most of his moves. No GM is going to hit on every move but Hahn has missed on the majority of his moves. His contract runs out after the 2019 season. I figure another 100 loss 2019 season should finally see him out the door as the GM.
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You're probably right. Most GMs would have blown the team up. I would like to think they would have been more successful at the results than what has happened under Hahn. The team just suffered a 100 loss season. It looks like more 100 loss seasons are on the horizon.
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Is it hahn, hostetler, renteria, the coaches, or all of them??
WBWSF replied to whitesoxbrad's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Forbes Magazine said the White Sox are 14th in revenue. As long as that continues the team is staying in Chicago. This 100 loss team is making nothing but money for the owners. -
Sox have "flexibility" to add "long term pieces"
WBWSF replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Dallas Keuchel, Patrick Corbin AND Dave Robertson will go over big in 2019 on the South Side. Just adding these 3 pitchers would change the outlook of this team for the next few years. That would be my start. I WOULD MAKE THE WHITE SOX GREAT AGAIN!!!! -
Sox have "flexibility" to add "long term pieces"
WBWSF replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
He might not have a rebuild plan but if JR was smart enough to hire me as the GM I would have a rebuild plan that would make every White Sox fan happy. The problem that I see is Hahn is signed thru the 2019 season. JR is not going to release him and pay him off. I wish he would but I don't see it happening. Hahn has to be worried about his job. If the 2019 White Season is another bad one, I would doubt he would be rehired. And believe me he will never get another MLB GM job again. -
Walking out of the stadium after the last home game the other night I told myself Wait Til Next Year. I've been saying that for years now.. Even after losing more games than any other MLB team the last 6 years I try to be optimistic about next year. I try to be optimistic about the White Sox and other things in life. I never want to become another Jay "Woman Beater" Mariotti. I'm fairly upbeat about the 2019 White Sox offense. Assuming Jimenez is as good as advertised, a lineup of Jimenez, Abreu, Garcia, Palka, Moncada and Anderson isn't shabby. I wish I could feel the same about the 2019 White Sox starting pitching staff. Some baseball historians think the 1927 Yankees were the greatest team in MLB history. The 1927 Yankees wouldn't win anything with the White Sox starting pitchers. I read where Hahn said the White Sox have to add to their pitching staff. Then I read in the Sun Times that the White Sox are not expected to spend any big money on free agents. I also read where Scott Merkin said the team might be interested in signing Pat Corbin and Dallas Keuchel. Due to the fact that the White Sox are not expecting any of their minor league pitching talent to arrive until 2020 I hope they sign both Corbin and Keuchel. If not 2019 and possibly 2020 are going to be bad years. 6 years of losing baseball and 10 years without Playoff baseball has been too long.
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Bobby Evans just got fired from his GM job with the Giants. He had 2 winning seasons and then after 2 losing seasons he was shown the door. Hahn has been here 6 years and the team has not had one winning season. Hahn is lucky he's working for a owner who doesn't care about winning. I read where Hahns contract runs thru the 2019 season. It will be interesting to see if he gets rehired.
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I thought his retirement was handled very well by the White Sox this year. I remember when Bob Elson was not renewed after the 1970 season. The White Sox didn't give him anything resembling a thank you after being the radio voice of the team forever.
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I hate to see Hawk leave. I guess the time comes for everybody to retire. I just wish that JR would sell the team and retire.
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Sox Win! Sox Win! Holy Cow, Sox Win!!!!!!!!!!
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It should be pointed out that each MLB franchise is going up 10% in value every year. I find it ironic that the two previous White Sox owners (Veeck and John Allyn) were not making any money with the team and couldn't put a winning product on the field because they were going broke. You have a situation now where the team is making money but yet the ownership can't put out a winning product on the field. I honestly wish that the team wasn't making money because if it wasn't JR would sell the team.
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In the article JR says his only goal is to break even every year. Anybody who believes that statement believes in the Easter Bunny. This franchise is making nothing but money. If it wasn't JR would sell the team in a heartbeat. Always remember the 2018 White Sox are 29th in MLB payroll and according to Forbes Magazine they are 14th in revenue. If anything I'm expecting the White Sox payroll to be very low for the foreseable future.
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Sometime, somewhere, someday the White Sox will have a new owner. I wish it was sooner rather than later. I read recently where Theo Epstein wants to own a baseball team. He has been very successful running both Boston and the Bad Guys on the Northside. Owning a baseball team is on his bucket list. Wouldn't it be something if he bought the White Sox? I don't think any White Sox fan would object to his owning the team.
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Veecks GM was Hank Greenberg, not Frank Lane. Veeck and his GM traded Callison, Battey, Romano, Mincher and Cash. Veteran White Sox players like Landis, Pierce and Fox couldn't believe Veeck traded all the White Sox young talent for older players. I always found it interesting that the media in Chicago had a high opinion of Veeck. They never mentioned how he traded off the teams young talent after the 1959 season. The September 1965 issue of Baseball Digest had a article "How Veeck Ruined The White Sox". This article pointed out all the bad trades Veeck made after the 1959 season. Everybody else in the media gave Veeck a pass.
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Anderson, Moncada, and the lesson of Joe Crede
WBWSF replied to Greg Hibbard's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Ted Williams always said you can tell what type of a hitter you have after 1,500 at bats. -
The White Sox drafted Nick Madrigal a few months ago as their #1 draft choice. The White Sox have talked openly about him being the 2020 Opening day second baseman. As bad as I think this White Sox management team is, I don't think they would have drafted him if they had a high opinion of MonKKKKKKKKKada. I don't think anybody thinks the White Sox are going to have a winning season in 2019. I'm just wondering if the White Sox will trade MonKKKKKKKKada this off season and put Madrigal at second base next year. If the White Sox could get something decent for MonKKKKKKKKada this off season I wouldn't be surprised if he was traded.
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I try not to be critical of White Sox manager Rick Renteria. The 2018 season has been a lost cause from Opening Day. No manager could get this team into the playoffs. I went to last nights game and Trout hit a HR in the first inning. Trout came up the next time with runners on 2nd and 3rd with first base open. Most managers with any sense would have intentionally walked Trout to load the bases. Instead he was pitched to and he hit another HR. The game was then out of reach. I realize that this is a rebuilding/tanking season but still pitching to Trout in that situation was wrong. I can see why the bad guys on the Northside paid off Renteria not to manage there team .
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Rodon packaged with Abreu or Avi Garcia in a trade for more "prospects".
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This is certainly a depressing list but it is what it is. There are 2 things that can be done this coming off season. Hahn can make some trades or he can sign some free agents. If you look at Hahns track record most of his trades and free agent signings have turned out bad. This is the 6th year under Hahn as the White Sox GM and the team has yet to have a winning season. Some people who post here keep talking about the White Sox going to the playoffs sometime soon. I'm just hoping the team has a winning season sooner rather than later. To the best of my knowledge Hahn is signed thru the 2019 season. If the 2019 season turns out to be another dreadful year I'm hoping Hahn will be gone.
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Always remember, Forbes Magazine says the White Sox are 14th in revenue in MLB. They wouldn't be bringing in that type of revenue if they moved to Charlotte or anywhere else. Also there are at least 3 Chicago potential groups who want to buy the White Sox. I'm sure that if and when the White Sox are sold it will be to somebody from Chicago. That being said I wish he would sell the team ASAP.
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Looks like I was wrong about Chatwood. It looks like Epstein was wrong about Chatwood also. I've always been 100% for Chicago when it comes to baseball. I want the White Sox to win100% of the time and I want the bad guys from the Northside to lose 100% of their games. That being said I wish the White Sox had the Management team/ownership of the Northside team. Epstein and company have hit on most of their acqusitions. You can't say the same thing for Hahn and company. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Hahn trade Rodon for more prospects.
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If Hahn trades Rodon and Lopez you might be right. He then might bring back Gonzalez and Shields to round out the pitching staff.
