OmarComing25

Nor should they, I'd do a hard pass if that's what it took to get them here.

This isn't the NBA, any team that makes the playoffs is a title contender.

2023 or 2024? There isn't a team in baseball that should take 7 or 8 seasons to rebuild no matter how dire the situation they start in, that is ridiculous. Even the most dire of situations should be able to turn it around within 5 seasons and we had a better starting off point than most rebuilds. If it takes that long then everything went wrong.

They didn’t forget us but still got their facts wrong. Article says our last playoff appearance was in 2010.

How is it a desperation move? Even if the young guys had all killed it in 2018 adding one of Machado/Harper would still make a lot of sense.

The original comment you replied to talked about contending in 2020, not 2019.

They were still somewhat competitive in the five seasons following 2005 though. If 2006-2011 had been more like 2013-2018 then those attendance numbers probably look a lot different.

Agree to disagree. It didn’t take long for the extra fan interest that 2005 generated to disappear and that was with a playoff appearance 3 years later and it being the first World Series title in Chicago in nearly a century. Another title wouldn’t have the impact 2005 did and if the team immediately started losing 90+ games again afterwards any gained interest would diminish even more rapidly IMO.

That’s not what I’m arguing. Hypothetical scenario A: The White Sox get a bunch of fluky career years out of otherwise mediocre players and win a title, but for the following 5 seasons the team averages 68 wins a season and don’t sniff the playoffs. Talent evaluation is still highly questionable. Hypothetical scenario B: The White Sox average 95 wins over a six year stretch with 5 playoff appearances and two pennants but zero titles. Even if the window of contention is now closing in scenario B which do you feel better about going forward and which one does more to generate fan interest?

Because to me competitive seasons are infinitely more interesting as a fan than non competitive seasons are and I think 6 interesting seasons is better entertainment value than 1 amazing season and 5 seasons of suck. And if this front office can prove they can actually build a consistent competitor then that’s better for the future of this franchise than if they just luck into a title again. #1 means I’m more confident in more titles happening in the future than if #2 happened.

Agree with this. We’ve already seen the “win a title and then suck” story play out, but we’ve never seen this franchise be consistently competitive for a stretch, I’m leaning #1.

Kershaw is declining though. With his drop in velocity and loss of effectiveness of his slider I’d honestly bet the days of sub 3 ERA Kershaw are gone.

Corbin is a huge Yankee fan too and that seemed to matter until another team offered him an extra year. Think it would be the same here.

I’m actually way more worried about the Phillies than the Yankees. Think it will ultimately come down to money and the Phillies are going to be more motivated to go higher.

God awful is definitely an extreme exaggeration, but ERA is not a great metric to use for relievers, by fWAR they were more middle of the pack, and half of that came from Chavez/Wilson/De La Rosa who are all gone. Strop/Cishek/Edwards/Morrow are solid provided they're all healthy, but they probably need another arm.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2018&month=16&season1=2000&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d Looking back over the past 20 or so years, the Rockies have the worst wRC+ of all teams on the road by far. 2nd is Arizona and those two teams are way below everyone else. Now what’s more likely, that they’ve had far worse hitters than every other team or that they have to deal with an altitude adjustment when they go on the road? Road splits in general are misleading but especially so for Rockies hitters.

Judging Rockies hitters on road splits is a bit unfair due to the Coors Hangover effect. I think Arenado would be just fine. Waiting for him would be foolish though.

The only scenario where he gets more than 526 PA is if he is absolutely mashing at the plate, and even if he is I still have doubts he’d get there unless we were somehow competing for the playoffs. So there’s really nothing to worry about.

Based on that if it weren’t for the Machado connection then this move makes absolutely zero sense.

This is a really strange take. They don’t care about getting good value for the $9 million, he was brought on for one reason.

It’s a joke tweet

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/card/66068/omar-narvaez This includes framing, and with it included he is pretty much replacement level. His framing was so bad last year it negated his bat entirely.

Really wanted Grandal. Oh well.

I don’t get the point. He shouldn’t cost anything but if you’re going to get a light hitting catcher at least get a decent framer.

But with Almora as your CF we'd still be looking to upgrade the position so what's the point? He's a really nice 4th OF but nothing more.