Ozzie for Manager

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:25 AM) Even if he is the next Andrew Miller he's gone after next season. And what more could the Sox really have gotten for him next year? Rutherford is now where Torres was last deadline, I doubt they get more for him next deadline than Rutherford. Robertson and Frazier for Clarkin and Polo is a wash. What is really lost in this trade talk is that Swarzak is the closer now and I have him on my fantasy team which should allow me to gain some spots in saves. This can not be understated. Well done Rick Hahn.

QUOTE (kwill @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:29 PM) Sorry about the miss spelling. I was trying to write it quickly. Do you disagree with my logic though? I feel like it was pretty sound. You could be right in the long run but right now its a bird in the hand. Holding onto him you risk injury, poor results. I would rather take what we can get, he really does us no good the next year or two when we will not be that good. Projections are always tough. If Rutherford becomes our starting RF in 3 years and hits 20HRs and .300 then nobody cares how good Kahnle becomes.

QUOTE (kwill @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:21 PM) I guess the big difference with some people is that they rate Tommy Kahlne differently. I view him as a good as Andrew Miller but with not with the consistent pedigree. Have a consistent pedigree is huge though when talking relievers. Link of Fangraphs Article today below. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-white-s...jor-trade-chip/ Another difference though is that Kahlne will be cheaper than Miller moving forward with Miller making another 2/18 after the time of the trade. Kahlne still has all three years of arbitration left which if he does really well will equal what 3/15. Remember what happend to Dellon Betances. Then on top of it you add the additional value of David Robertson and Todd Frazier( even if marginal) with taking back Clippard. In my opinion, you should be able to match or get better value than what the Yankees got for Miller last year at the deadline. Rutherford is a good start but you need at least another 2 intriguing pieces to get me excited. If you want to make an argument about a player being as good as Andrew Miller you should actually spell his name correctly. It kind of tells people you don't know what you are talking about. And I am not trying to be a jerkoff, just giving advice.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:16 PM) this. can't believe how much people are overvaluing who we just moved. People thrilled about moving Quintana - a true ace on any team but they get mad about getting a top prospect for spare parts. lol Well said. Robertson is the only solid consistent player we traded. Frazier was not good and gone this year. Kahnle has had a few good months. I couldnt remember who we traded for him but googled it and it was yency almonte who is actually pitching great for the Rockies AA. Having the best year of his career by far with a 2.21 ERA in 13 starts.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:40 AM) +1,271,970 ninja post power points. Not a chance in hell of us picking up that contract. I would be shocked.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 03:34 PM) I agree that comes down to if you buy into his peripherals and his age. Miller was 29 when he broke out and became elite, Tommy is 27. 4.5WAR over three years is a mid point he could be more or he could flame out and continue to be a guy organizations bank on breaking out. If the sox sell him this deadline and the return was Chavis and Groome I wouldn't be mad by any stretch as Hahn might choose to be risk adverse with him, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Hahn hold onto him and try and extract an even larger return in the offseason or the next deadline. If you dont get what you want with Kahnle you have to hold onto him. Yes you take a risk of him falling apart but you take the same risk of a prospect never making it to the big leagues. If you want and he still is pitching well you trade him next year. I dont see the rush to get rid of him, he is young enough to be a closer of the future for us. Burdi hasnt exactly lit the world on fire in the minors and now needs TJS.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) He should get an opportunity next inning. And like clockwork the Cards blow the game in the 9th. They need Robertson and Swarzak badly.

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 05:22 PM) Yeah was hoping we'd be that 2 for 1 reliever team. At least that takes 2 guys off the market. Luckily the Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Astros, Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Rangers, Rockies, Cardinals, and Astros all looking for relievers. There will definitely be a market. Nats pen tonight so far 7 runs in 1 inning so far. Were up 10-0 and now 10-7 with no outs in the 9th.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 03:03 PM) I'd be interested to hear the rationale for this one. Jon Gray is a 25 year old with a career ERA of 4.95. His FIP is consistently 3.6 and his K-rate is decent. It's not a Coors thing either, since he's worse on the road for his career than he is at home. I wish we could have swung a deal with the Rockies for Jeff Hoffman. He was supposed to be the #1 pick before Tommy John surgery right before the draft and dropped to 7th. He was rated higher than Rodon, was the #1 prospect out of the Cape League after soph year. Now look at what he is doing. 5-1 now, with 50Ks in 49 innings and a 1.15 ERA. He had 1 bad start of 3 innings 9 ER but outside of that he has a 2.70 ERA and 1.000 ratio. Better pitcher than Gray in my opinion.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 11:49 PM) 4.5 games behind SF for #2. 0.5 games behind SD for #3. Let the scoreboard watching begin. And Bumgarner is back today. That will help SF get a few more wins, if he stays off his motorcycles.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) I almost posted this exact thought about 10 minutes ago. Yep, I just came to the board to post that too. Its got to be an option. Do you ask for Robles who is still in A ball and Kieboom and/or Luis Garcia who is 17 years old? Both still a ways away from playing in the big leagues.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) I think they will only end up selling the guys with (close to) expiring contracts. Then look to add again in free agency. Brewers are now interested in Quintana. Who saw that before the season started. But they are 4 1/2 up on the cubs and they are going to try and go for it.

QUOTE (zisk @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 12:20 PM) Agreed. Just a so-so player having his career year. He always seemed to be a genuinely good person so I'm happy for him and his family. Quick story on Tyler. My son and I flew from NC to Chicago and saw two games 2 years ago. Tyler caught both and after an extra inning game where Avi hit a double to win it against the Angels we waited outside by the parking lot. My son was 10 and he wanted to see every player he could and try to get a ball signed. We were there til around almost 1AM and as Tyler was driving out of the parking lot he saw my son and another boy waiting there behind the barrier. He beeped his car horn and told them to meet him at the end of the barriers. They did and he opened his car door and signed stuff for the boys. He made their day. And he did this after catching about 11 innings. Adam Laroche also stopped and was very nice, Danks had pitched well that night and he was with his dad and he signed. Most guys walked by or drove on by the kids. Another cool story from the night before was when my son had his "Alexei Rameriz is my pick to click" sign and he was holding it up and Alexei drove out in his Ferrari or Lamborghini. It was a sweet ride. He saw the sign, stopped and rolled down the window, pointed and had the attendant bring my son's ball over to him to sign. It was a cool gesture, made my son's trip.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) I was actually kinda amazed how many Venezuelans were in the class though. They may be signing cheap just to get the hell out. How could that be? Michael Moore, Oliver Stone and Sean Penn said Venezuela and Hugo Chavez were a modern day utopia.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 26, 2017 -> 11:09 PM) I see your points and counter with the fact that you hate everything. That was great. Thanks for the laugh

I see only 2 other possibilities of guys with proven track records as closers that the Nats could go for. Jim Johnson and Mark Melancon. Neither have had as good a season as Robertson. Melancon has been very poor this season. All are about the same age. Robertson has a very affordable contract next year for 13 million. Melancon has 13 million next year and 17 million the following 2 years as player options so I cant see the Nats taking on that contract. Jim Johnson has a very friendly contract at 5 million next year. However, he just has not been as good as robertson the last few years and it isnt very close either. This deal is about as obvious as there is out there. And the Sox should have the Nats by the balls.

Has them completely off balance

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 13, 2017 -> 11:42 AM) Danny Mendick; brain fart I think he meant Richard Mendickman

So I just got back to the house and look at the box score. Pelphrey 3.2 innings with 6 hits and 5 BBs and only 2 runs. Wow. He certainly lived dangerous tonight I guess.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) And who knows about using the new method that some have had done that was a super fast return Seth Manness had the new method and was back pitching in about 7 months. He is doing well with KC now. However, you have to not have a complete tear, it really just has to be frayed so there is no transplant done.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 01:45 PM) Do we think a top 3 pick in 2019 is likely, or even desirable? I think we've got to be better than that with Moncada/Fulmer/Giolito/Lopez contributing at MLB in 2018. Not contending yet, but if we totally suck, I think that's a bad turn for some of our first tier... I am with you, we are not absolutely terrible right now so its a stretch to be that bad.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 01:52 PM) Another tidbit from Law. Jim 3:45 Where would Luis Robert go in this draft class? Keith Law 3:45 Probably middle of the first round. He just loses credibility there.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 12:16 PM) Wonder what move up today means, that he's a likelihood of being selected today? Hearing it is possible that McKenzie Gore could also go #1 overall.

Unfortunately the Rockies could not be a partner, their rookies are tearing it up. I was hoping we would have pulled the trigger in the offseason with them and landed Jeff Hoffman and another stud but I guess the Rocks knew what they had. I saw Hoffman in college many times and he would have been the #1 pick if he didnt need tommy john during his senior year. Right now he is 4-0 with some of the best stuff I have seen from a young pitcher. He has the highest spin rate on his curve in the majors. During the game the announcers said that he had not let up a hit off his curve or slider all year. That is 27 innings. He has some ridiculous stuff. The Rockies are loaded with pitchers right now so maybe someone like a Riley Pint could be had.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 09:33 PM) Takes two teams to make a deal. His value cant be much higher, he has let up runs in 4 of 21 games. 2 of those 4 were when he pitched more than 1 inning. He has 1 blown save only. His Ks per 9 are higher than his career average. We need to move him soon to get maximum value. What other options do teams have for a proven closer? Herrera is garbage right now. There are zero proven closers out there right now on teams that are at the bottom of the standings. Unless the Giants raise the white flag and want to trade melancon and his numbers are not as good as Robertson. To sum up we are going to get a nice return on Robertson. If its not the nationals why not someone like the astros? They have Ken Giles who has a close to 4 ERA. And even if a team has a great closer, Robertson could make a game 7 innings essentially.