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Would've rather taken Moncada/Devers/Groome over Moncada/Kopech/Basabe/Diaz Don't think we got enough but this FO was hell bent on trading him for some reason.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:21 AM) We already have been lousy for 10 years almost dude. But you're suggesting we keep doing the same thing and refuse to try new methods to build a club? Spending big on quality free agents would be one new method. Not sure why JR is such a nit with this team he's going to die and he's not going to take any of the money with him.

QUOTE (Blackout Friday @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:58 AM) By this logic, you should be suspicious of anybody we acquire. They're available because Sale is really good and they want to win now at the expense of the future. The problem with saying that is there are similarly "ranked" prospects who are supposedly "untouchable" from teams who need elite pitching more than Washington.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:36 AM) We need pitchers too, who are you kidding. We have two good SP prospects in Hansen and Adams. 3 if you consider Fulmer a future SP. Q and Rodon as TOR starters. We only need to come up with 1 more front line caliber starter. Our system will come up with the rest in a few yrs

Don't like the Nats prospects. If the deal is completed as rumored I am going on record that this trade will be the end of the Hahn/KW show. We need positional prospects not pitchers. Their organization doesn't have one hitter I can point to besides Turner who is a must have. If we are trading Sale for only prospects now wait until the trade deadline again. I would be so pumped as a Nats fan what a no brainer steal of a deal.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:00 PM) It Hasbro be their best for one of the best pitchers in the game I won't be surprised if the front office blinks. There's a reason most here didn't want them trading Sale. The whole reasoning behind not settling at the deadline was that JR had the opportunity to clean house in the front office at the end of the season and get competent people in here to start the fire sale. But I guess it's too optimistic to expect that to happen.

QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 06:24 PM) How would you guys feel about a package that had De Leon and Bellinger back with no Urius? I would actually prefer that over Robles and Giolito. Especially since the Dodgers could throw in depth sweeteners at the lower levels. I am know most think the Dodgers are done with SP but I think De Leon gets moved this offseason. If we got one of them back for Frazier maybe.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 05:44 PM) I literally can't think of a worse scenario than not trading Sale and trying to plug holes with 1/2 assed free agents again. That's like signing up for a painful 77 win season while also devaluing Sale's contract. The longer he is under contract and healthy the higher his value is. It sounds like they aren't doing that. They will trade off anyone they get a good offer for at any time going forward and patch the holes with short term fixes. Someone like Frazier, Eaton, or Jones could be traded at the winter meetings but Sale could potentially be here another year if the asking price isn't met. Don't see how teams are going to get pitchers with how things are going I highly doubt TB is going to sell low on Archer with that many years left on his deal.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) really depends on what that "much more" ends up being? Giolito makes me nervous, and Robles has never played above A ball. A good season from Robles would move him up into a top 5 mlb prospect, but a bad season where he struggles would make this look ugly. One of Giolito and Robles will bust. Even if we get both it's why Turner has to be involved.

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:52 PM) That's a decent start, but I still like what BOS and HOU have to offer better -- near-MLB-ready position players. Yeah if Turner isn't involved I don't like what they have to offer after Giolito and Robles. Their only interesting players are pitchers they are super weak on posiitional talent.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:23 PM) Joel Sherman tweeted that neither Houston, Washington nor Boston are willing to give the Sox the "anchor player" the Sox are insisting on in a Sale trade. If that's the case then f*** them all...you keep him. Mark Darn then no deal. Don't cave. Surprised no interest from the Yankees.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) McCutchen's value is way down, he performed pretty close to his contract last season and only has two years of control left. I think the Nats could easily make a deal for Sale and then make a play for McCutchen with what is left over, and more than likely without giving Turner up in either deal. If we don't get at least Turner Giolito Robles for Sale I won't like the deal. If we don't get Turner at all I don't see the point in making the trade. Don't like their secondary prospects either from what I've looked at so far. Dunning could be ok but he's 2+ years away.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 01:55 PM) I disagree. I would take Turner/Robles/Giolito/Lopez plus 3-4 more of their top 10 prospects (Fedde, Kieboom, Dunning, Neuse, Stevenson) for both Sale & Eaton. I'll take Turner Robles Giolito Lopez for Sale only. None of those other prospects interest me that much.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 01:49 PM) Turner is great, but chances are he isn't going to have a .388 BABIP ever agsin, and his homer rate should probably drop as well. He still is top of the line, but moveable if you look at it realistically. If he hits .340 with 25 homers and 40 steals, you can't trade him. But .300 with 15 homers and 35 steals? It is the price you pay for the current version of Sale. The only thing I hope the Sox don't do is package Sale and Eaton together.

Nats don't have enough to get Sale + Eaton or Sale + McCutcheon Best case is they significantly raise his price for the Red Sox

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 07:17 PM) Cause they know their prospect depth and talent is going to lead to lots of future success... It's because our front office is too scared to risk their career on anything other than a sure thing. They keep their jobs through more mediocre seasons unless they trade fan favorite Sale and make poor prospect evaluations and get a bunch of busts back.

Yeah mods got trolled well with the Obama thread.

Dodgers signed Hill. Carpe Diem wrong again.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:58 PM) Alright, this is gonna be the final time I reply to this thread. I don't care how many ABs he's had in the Majors. Half of them should have been in the Minors to begin with. As far as I'm concerned, he has 413 AB (2016) while he's actually tried a swing that isn't complete horse s***. His old swing was not conducive to any type of hard contact or power. While still inconsistent, look at he video on youtube of him in 2016. Throw the numbers out the window and forget his name is Avisail Garcia. I guarantee you'll love what you see in the admittedly few highlights I'm referring to. His OBP didn't change from 2015 to 2016 with his supposedly improved swing. That tells me it's his approach within at bats or a baseball IQ problem. That is not correctable at this point in his career. If he didn't develop any in his first 1000+ AB's he never will. He doesn't have enough power for a swing change to make a notable difference anyway. He is big but not strong. QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:58 PM) He's a finished product? Really? I'm simply saying to give up on a 25 year old who, BTW, heavily improved his exit velocities and launch angles in 2016, ya know, this past season, is not wise - just because you hate what you have seen so far. Keep an open mind dude. Why is Avi Garcia deserving of chances he hasn't earned? Why should another player who hasn't been proven to suck yet be denied an opportunity? QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:58 PM) My original point which has been taken way out of context by a few of you guys. Our team is disgusting as it currently stands. The addition of Avi as a DH strictly, is not going to hurt a supposed rebuilding and otherwise trash team, until you have legitimate replacements. You guys would rather see 27 year old Coats at DH, who in my opinion is a AAAA player? Just like your opinion is that Avi is a AAAA player. Delmonico is the only other decent DH option you guys have come up with - as the roster currently stands. Avi's major league performance says he is a AAAA player. He has gotten more than enough chances. Time for other players to get a look at the bigs, no matter what you may think of them before they get there.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 08:34 PM) Why does he have to "do something well" in the present to not be written off completely at his age? I don't want him to be a fielder at all.... I'm advocating him to be DH on a loser team. But you want something he does well so bad...he led the Majors in OF assists in 2015. Obviously the fielding blows - but hey, you asked. He isn't some talentless schmuck because he hasn't lived up to your guys' OPS standards against the greatest baseball players in the world by age 25. Avi will never be a good hitter. It is his approach to at-bats and his baseball IQ that is not at a major league level. He's had well over a thousand at bats already. What do you expect to change at this point? He is a finished product. And even if he did have short term success, he hasn't shown he can adjust to pitchers besides swinging at the first pitch. He won't be a DH for us when the team is good again so I have no idea what your point is in trotting him out there. He's not a prospect anymore.

Padres have no problems finding takers for their garbage. Good for them.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 08:14 PM) Yeah, announcing that a 3 million dollar signing of a 25 year old player is the worst thing that's ever happened in the history of White Sox baseball is pretty ridiculous. I'm not going to keep arguing with you guys. I've given facts and thoughts backing my opinion in about a dozen posts in this thread. You have yours, that's fine. I'm not gonna beat a dead dog. Want to name something he does well? I honestly can't think of anything and that is hard to do when it comes to major leaguers.

Avi has 9 lives. KW has such a big ego he can't risk the 1% chance he gets embarrassed when Avi gets cut loose and ends up a decent player for another team.

Good move. Sanchez doesn't belong in the bigs

People actually think we are going to start winning trades left and right with this front office? I'm all for trading Sale because I think we'll get a no brainer deal but I'm not convinced we won't get fleeced trading our lesser players.