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Add Cisheck and I can't forget Shields quite yet.. Hahn and KW better get things right this off season because the window of contention with this core is open. Fill the RF hole for chrissakes and get at least one TOR starter. Unfortunately, Hahn seemed to indicate that the Red Sox would be high bdders for Bauer.

Why would Rick Hahn be fired for executing a rebuild and having it turn out - to date - exactly as planned? "Exactly" ? Who traded Tatis Jr. for Shields? Who acquired EE and Mazara and did nothing as they continued to flounder ? Who made no move to add to the pitching rotation after Kopech opted out? Who relied on Cease, ReyLo, Rodon and Dane Dunning coming off TJ AS 3, 4 and 5 starters? Why didn't they call up Vaughn and Collins? Why were they afraid to DFA EE and Mazara when they knew they would not be on the team next season anyway? ?

The buck stops at the top but not with this FO. Hahn and KW are untouchable.

Not the point. KW should be let go and so should Hahn. The buck stops at the top. Chicago White Sox said: What in the world are you rambling about? Oh, OK, you are a lot smarter than I am. How about adding a frown face to every one of my posts?

KW got JR to call Ozzie and explain why he wouldn't be Manager. That's pretty ridiculous. Again, KW and Hahn should have been fired and let the new GM tell Ozzie that the Sox would be going in a new direction. If I was Ozzie I would have told JR that he could never manage as long as KW was there.

Hahn came off a bit smug and arrogant in that presser. He thinks he can be a GM for 10 more years, blah blah. Thank you for your self evaluation. And kW made damn sure Ozzie would be ruled out (not that I think Ozzie should be the new manager). Of course RR should have been fired for all the reasons that Stone laid out ....but Hahn took no responsibility whatsoever for his personnel decisions and lack of them. It is hard to make a play-off run when you have only two healthy and competitive starting pitchers. It is hard to win when you have a DH that hits .159 and a corner outfielder that hit 1 HR all season. Hahn said he had numerous meetings and conversations with RR during the season. What were they talking about ? They Sox had Collins and Vaughn in Schaumburg. They had Engel ready to play RF instead of Mazara. McCann should have caught Giolito from Opening Day. McCann was a better catcher than Grandal according to Stone and either one should have been DHing on their off days instead of EE. ALL of that was mentioned by Stone but was RR and Coop responsible for all of that? They didn't have the horses this season and didn't try to switch things around or make acquisitions or trades. Hahn was asleep at the wheel after Kopech opted out. The Sox were never going to win in the playoffs with GIO, Kopech and bullpen starts . KW and Hahn are untouchable. I was hoping JR would start the clean up at the top with Hahn and KW and let the new GM do the rest of the dirty work.

Hahn stated that maybe on 10 years he would no longer be qualified for his job. He looked rather smug and self-absorbed in making these announcements. Meanwhile Hahn took no responsibility for player personnel decisions including acquiring Mazara and EE, playing them all season,. and failing to fortify the starting

Sounded like Hahn reluctantly admitted he would like McCann back.....but at the right price. McCann and other guys who are FA now are going to get screwed because the market for them is not going to be what it may have been pre-pandemic. On the other hand, that fact may help the Sox sign McCann, Bauer or other FAs for a reduced price.

The decisions are expected, but the timing also gives it the air of a cathartic scapegoating w/o Hahn and upper management taking responsibility. GM Hahn was also responsible for not fortifying the staring pitching, picking up Mazara , Encarcion and then staying with them all season . Where was Hahn all season? He said nothing to Renteria? He stuck Coop with 2 starters? Come on Rick, take some responsibility. Renteria had to go and so did Coop, but personnel decisions were not exclusively in their domain.

No Ozzie Guillen either,

After listening to the podcast with Stone (where Stone laid Renteria's shit bare) I don't see any way the Sox bring back Renteria. I would not want Getz promoted if that is what their thinking is. Getz reminds me of Ventura in some ways.

If anyone thinks Hahn is under pressure consider the Yankees situation: "Not even the addition of ace Gerrit Cole for a $324 million, nine-year contract was enough to make the difference. Now general manager Brian Cashman faces a series of key decisions. Big league batting champion DJ LeMahieu is eligible for free agency along with pitchers Masahiro Tanaka and James Paxton. New York has a $17 million option on pitcher J.A. Happ the team made sure would not become guaranteed and a $10 million option on 37-year-old outfielder Brett Gardner, the last link to the Yankees’ 2009 champions. Giancarlo Stanton is expected to keep the remaining $218 million and seven guaranteed seasons left in his contract rather than opt out, and reliever Zack Britton appears likely to stay under either player or club options. " Despite an $84 million payroll as adjusted for the shortened season, third-highest in the major leagues, the Yankees lost to the $29 million Rays, a team whose spending was third from bottom. Tampa Bay beat the Yankees eight of 10 times during the regular season,..." https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/baseball/professional/disgusted-and-dismayed-yanks-face-big-decisions-for-2021/article_68f0ff30-ae99-5dd1-93d1-60e8002b2e56.html Giancarlo Stanton is expected to keep the remaining $218 million and seven guaranteed seasons left in his contract rather than opt out, and reliever Zack Britton appears likely to stay under either player or club options.

Realistically, Ricketts will open up father Joe's fat wallet (filled with unlimited Ameritrade profits) and pay Theo some exorbitant unprecedented salary. KW stays as long as JR owns the team and that means no Ozzie.

I would like to see JR secretly interview Theo to see if he would be interested in taking KW's gig . Then Theo could fire Renteria and replace him, again..

I don't think Vaughn is a prototypical first basemen, unless one considers Prince Fielder to be the prototype. Vaughn has some hefty thunder thighs, short arms and short legs. Definitely not the body type that one would consider to be best suited for 1B. Catcher or DH perhaps.

Agree with Dominikk. Getz thinks he can play 1st base: "Andrew hits the ball from pole to pole, consistently has good, quality at-bats, works deep counts and always squares up pitches," Chicago farm director Chris Getz said. "He's a combination of hitting and power. There wasn't too much of a focus on things he needed to improve offensively at the alternative site. It was more a focus of facing upper-level quality pitching and on a daily basis. We moved him around from first base to third base to the outfield to build some athleticism and keep his feet moving. At the end of the day, it's more about the bat and just finding a home for him. He can play first base." Vaughn might win a spot on the roster during Spring Training

Eloy is my favorite player because of his positive attitude, his demeanor, and his appreciation for key moments in a game where he excels at serving up dramatic game winning hits and home runs. Add to that the fact that he is the Cub Killer, and he loves loves that role.

That plus the Sox letting harry Carey go to the North Side and the foolishness of the Veeck's who believed that the only way to draw fans was to make a circus out of things. The attendance at games is not necessarily an indicator of the percentage of fans in Chicago and the suburbs. There is no doubt the White Sox have made some major leaps in fan interest since 2005 and especially in the last two years. Moving forward the impact of covid-19 may well impact fan attendance at professional sports venues for several years. Now that people understand that droplets and aerosol can carry any number of infectious bacteria and viruses, it may be several years before people cram into bars and stadiums in the same numbers as they did previously.

Words of wisdom and experience. Having said that, I think most of us expect tho hear that he will need TJS. I dream of Kopech and Crochet dealing at the top of our rotation, or one or the other at the end of our bullpen of Closing. We need a break when it comes to injuries in 2021 so the Sox can have everyone aboard and make a run.

I think letting the zMcCann thing go for now is a good idea. Let's see what the Sox actually do with McCann and then comment. As to Vaughn, let's stop projecting him at 1B or in the outfield until we see him play more next Spring. Did I see him run? Yes, he scored from first on a gapper. Did you see that? The Sox bench were laughing their asses off.

I think RR deserves to be fired. Will they do it? I don't know. I would be fine with Ozzie but I doubt the Sox will hire him. It is hard for people to let go of old grudges. Not sure who would take over but maybe Big Frank would agree to do it.

Dude, why not respond with some text? Looks like you have the proverbial carmine derrier. ?

Mazara and Collins for Benintendi. Resign McCann. Sign Bauer Bring up Vaughn as DH and let let's see what he can do. Leury and Engel stay. Maybe Dyson as well. Renteria gets replaced.

What's with the sports savant shit? My opinion is based on common sense and my own experience with sports injuries. Several games back, Eloy hit first base awkwardly and hopped around to take weight off it after he passed the bag.. He was trying to walk the pain off and wincing. Renteria then came out to talk to him. After a brief discussion Renteria decided to leave him in rather than opting for a pinch runner. . Eloy then had to run the bases hard. He came up lame and had to leave the game. Eloy re-injured the same ankle a few games later. The re-injured ankle caused him to miss most of the play-off series. Fuk Renteria. He makes bad decisions left and right. I hope they can him.

I don't think Vaughn is "serviceable" replacement for Jose Abreu or Grandal at 1B. He is short, lacks reach and has not demonstrated that he can pick the ball out of the dirt on short hops. At this point. he looks like DH, and no one would have a problem with that if he proves that he can rake. EE is probably gone so that roster spot will be open.