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Even if the Sox would likely not trade a younger player like Tim Anderson or Avi Garcia, a statement that all players are available for trade purposes might cause other teams to reveal top players that they might make available. That would be good to know.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Jun 26, 2017 -> 10:26 PM) Agreed that it's a bit early to judge the progress of the rebuild heretofore. I'm happy to have been wrong about the Front Office's willingness to sign Robert. I'm sad to have seen the impossibly premature extension given to Tim Anderson, whose performance @ the plate looks like that was a bad move. One wonders if Leury might be the better SS going forward. I hate the idea of promoting Collins and his (EDIT) .209 batting average to AA; if he can't make contact, he's not really a prospect, is he? Many of the pitching prospects look like they'll be relievers (Giolito & Fulmer), while Burdi & Kopech need to cut their walk rates down. Otoh, Dunning has been a pleasant surprise. However, all of this said, we're very early in this process, and all of the trends I mentioned here can easily reverse themselves by year's end, for better or worse. This front office still has to disperse more veterans to get back some pieces, and this draft class has only started to report, so ask us in September how it's going then... I don't agree with you about Tim Anderson, but I do on most everything else you said. My problem with the rebuild is that I do not see enough start position players in the Minors that can fuel a resurgence when they get promoted. Moncada and Robert....that's about it.

It's easy to be down on Renteria after the June swoon. It's possible he is not responsible for this. In any case, I think Renteria will have 3- 5 years like Ventura had, but we shall see. In the meantime, Renetria should probably put Davidson at third and get a guy that makes good contact to replace Frazier in the middle of the order.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 25, 2017 -> 09:53 PM) But just think if we'd just have lost 10 more games we could have gotten somebody so much better than Burger and Rodon and Fulmer. Damn, if we'd just lose more often our great front office would come through. Exactly, or as one might say, tanks a lot ! Other than the Sale pick the Sox may have had better outcomes by throwing darts blind-folded at a list of first round draft pick options. For the most part, it's been a rough decade for the White Sox on Draft day.

In my opinion, the busts we have had and those who will likely be busts. 2008 - Gordon Beckham 2009 - Jared Mitchell, Josh Phegley 2011 = Keenyn Walker 2012- Courtney Hawkins, Keon Barnum 2015- Carson Fulmer 2016- Zack Colllins 2017- Burger Yes, I have lost hoe that Fulmer and Collins will pan put, and I just can't see Burger as a major league player. If Carlos Rodon does not come back to pre-injury form, he might join that list.

Tim Anderson had some personal challenges dealing with the death of his best friend. He boots an occasional ball, but he also makes plays that some other shortstops can't. The team is not competimng this season, so let him work out problems and learn to hot major league pitching rather than sending him to the minors. He is still hitting over .250, I believe isn't he? I think the Sox may cut bait with Shields. Renteria did not look happy when he went out to the mound to pull him and I am sure that Sox brass was not all too thrilled with Shields laying an egg on Buerhle day with 38,000 in the stands.

We have Davidson who looks like he can be here for several years so where does this guy fit in? Courtney Hawkins and now Burger.. Burger is never going to play third base in the majors at that weight especially with his lack of balance and mobility. He looked like his shoelaces were tied together on those ground balls. A wasted 1st round pick.

IMO, that was an awful first round pick, just awful. A nothing burger. This guy is a tank who will box out further with age. He looks like a lot of the big boys who used to play 16" softball around the Chicago park district diamonds. That video showing him stumbling over his own feet and falling down (twice) while attempting to corral routine ground balls should have been enough to tell Hostetler that this was the wrong guy. Its hard to Draft major league talent after the first 10 picks, I guess. Wow, just wow.. OK, perhaps a RH DH, But we already have Davidson so what was the purpose in drafting a guy like this?

It might be what happens with a lot of pitchers who experience some elbow or shoulder pain, but are not diagnosed with a condition that requires surgery or where surgery is not the only choice. Jones might be trying to rehab it because if it needs surgery at this point, he may be gone for the season anyway. It's possible that the Sox just don't know right now.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 05:38 AM) What the hell? Yea, I think Benintendi will prove to be a better player and hitter than Moncada. Hope I'm wrong. And I would have loved to have Trea Turner rather than Rodon. Courtney Hawkins is a bust. Yea, WTH!

I wish Hahn had insisted on Benintendi instead of Moncada ...even without Kopech. Or just hung on to Sale and traded him to another team. Sox Draft picks the last few years have not been game changers. Collins, Fulmer, Rodon, Courrtney Hawkins. Boston beats us out for Benintendi and we get Fulmer with the next pick. Unreal. And we could have Drafted Trea Turner instead of Rodon. Maybe KW is wrong about Luis Robert as well. Tank? For what? Another high Draft pick that turns out like some of those guys? Sox futility with the Draft has been a combination of poor talent evaluation , very bad luck and some bad judgment.

I didn't realize he was in a hitting slump and that he remains very susceptible to SO. OK, so he stays in the minors.

Bring Moncada up and Yolmar become the utility infielder. No reason to wait on this move any longer.

The tanking thing never made sense to me for several reasons 1. No guarantee that you will end up with a top 3 Draft pick. 2. No guarantee that any player selected becomes an All Star quality player. 3. No guarantee that the 5th overall pick becomes a better player than a 12th overall pick. 4. It demoralizes the current team and destroys the winning attitude that is so important to cultivate. 5. It demoralizes the fan base. 6. It reduces attendance which in turn lessens the financial ability of the team to acquire players. 7. It goes against everything we are taught about competing in sports no matter who your opposition is. I like the progress with Avi G, Leury G, Davidson and Yolmar. Omar and Kevan Snith have been decent. Sox need to start bringing up some pitching. Maybe Giolito, Fulmer, Burdi, Reynaldo and maybe even Kopech. We have to stop the bludgeonings. 15-5, 10-1...

Frazier had some sort of health issue that weakened him earlier in the year.. He lost a ton of weight because of it and has not looked the same.

There is zero comparison between the Cards and Sox. The Cards have a loyal and large fan base I root for the Cardinals....when they play the Cubz!

It is amazing that the Sox are even afloat in the standings given that they do not have an ace starter or maybe even a #2 level starter considering where Q would be rated now. The Sox could easily be 10 or more games under water with a rotation consisting of an underwhelming/disappointing Q plus 3,4,5 starters and call-ups pitching every day. No stopper, no Ace, and even Q sucks. At this rate, the bullpen guys that have been carrying the load, will get burned out. That is part of what happened last year. I don't see the Sox trading any starting pitchers including Q the way this is going. I have no confidence that we will see Rodon at 100% this year and I just don't know whether or not Carson Fulmer will be a successful starter at the major league level. To be optimistic about the starting rotation, perhaps Shields will be back soon and Rodon will heal from whatever ails him. Then perhaps they can bring up Reynaldo Lopez as a 5th or 6th starter. Add to that a fast turn around in the trajectory that Q has been on recently. A lot to ask for.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ May 30, 2017 -> 07:31 PM) Hung another breaking ball. Theyre sitting on it dufus Yup. Q threw the same rolling curve ball and expected a different result. Gadamn it. I thought we got back into this juego at 4-3 and Q comes out with nothing in what should have been a shut down inning.

Benetti just made a jackazz of himself making a routine fly out that didn't even make the warning track sound like it was a home run. Benetti is just awful. He is really getting on my nerves.

The tanking thing has gotten old. We are well beyond that and with almost a third of the season gone, it looks like the Sox can stay around .500 and play good entertaining baseball to attract fans and provide the team with revenue. I have a few acquaintances who are cubz fans. They are crapping their pants because the team is only playing .500 and looking very beatable. There is a positive vibe among Sox fans right now, like we are looking ahead with hope while cubs fans are looking ahead with apprehension and perhaps even fear of starting another epic WS drought.

After reading about Dale Earnhardt Jr. today, the subject of PEDs by athletes came to mind. Do you suppose Robert has been tested in Cuba for PED use? Isn't a drug test for performance enhancing drugs something that would be part of the physical that the Sox gave him before they signed him? I hope so. he looks like a very nice young man and he is ripped with muscles. This guy could be a game changer for our Sox and Keith Law could end up sucking on it.

But with high expectations and pressure for a repeat, that time has come and gone.

witesoxfan post Apr 18, 2017 -> 03:39 PM I would trade Garcia to the Cubs for Schwarber so fast it would make your head spin. ----------- Rowand44 post Apr 18, 2017 -> 06:02 PM Schwarber has outproduced Avi at every level and when I say outproduced, he's destroyed his numbers at every level, he's about 2 years younger, is under contract for a few more years but you wouldn't trade Avi for Kyle because you think he's fat. Got it. ---------- southsider2k5 post Apr 19, 2017 -> 09:59 AM Wow. Apparently the heroin epidemic has hit Soxtalk. Extending Avi? Trading Avi for Schwarber? Step one is admitting you have a problem. Get help. ----------------------- Oh yea, Schwarber is great and anyone suggesting that Avi is as good or better is on heroine and should get help. Well, Schwarber was just demoted to a platoon role since he is batting .147, yes a dollar forty-seven against LH pitching and well under .200 against RH pitching. Avi looks like he is on a different path, improving offensively and defensively this season.

Jerry, KW and Hahn made a decision to go balls to the wall for Luis Robert. Apparently anything that had to be done was done to get him. I smiled today when I got a text from my son "We got him" :-)

"Effectively... Chris Sale = Yoan Moncada, Luis Robert, Michael Kopech, Luis Alexander Basebe, Victor Diaz " That is a good way to think about the Sale trade. Kudos to Jerry Reinsdorf, Kenny Williams Rick Hahn, and everyone on our international scouting team that helped get this done. Don't stop now boys !