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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Apr 18, 2017 -> 06:02 PM) There's no weird perception vs. stat/facts here because perception is reality in this case. Numbers will tell you that Schwarber isn't far worse than Garcia defensively but they will tell you they both currently suck. Schwarber has played about 60 games in his life out there and Avi has played years and years out there and isn't getting any better. Even if you think Schwarber is always going to be a bad outfielder it stands to reason he's going to improve at least a little bit. I guess we can throw in Schwarber's awesome post season numbers but I'm not going to use a 14 game sample size to make a point which is funny considering that small of a sample size is why we're having this conversation to begin with. So to summarize, Schwarber has outproduced Avi at every level and when I say outproduced, he's destroyed his numbers at every level, he's about 2 years younger, is under contract for a few more years but you wouldn't trade Avi for Kyle because you think he's fat. Got it. Avi Garcia is much faster this season because of weight loss and he was always much faster than Schwarber. Schwabby has a surgically repaired knee, and yes, his weight coupled with that leg injury is a majaor consideration when it comes to mobility and speed. Schwabby will be a man without a defensive position, which means he will become a DH in all likelihood. Woah....bang, bang bang,,, Avi just Crushed a 3 run bomb. Speaking of the devil! My man!

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Apr 18, 2017 -> 04:03 PM) Literally all of them outside of these 2 weeks. Not to mention Schwarber is close to 2 years younger and is under contract for longer. Schwarber is horrible defensively...far worse than Garcia. Schwarber's weight has to be a concern for any National league team because there is no DH there. Schwarber looks like a tank. When you say literally all numbers, which ones are you referring to ? Schwarber is a .240 hitter since he has been in the league but did hit a lot of home runs last season. I'm seeing a lot of downside to Schwarber because of his weight, his lack of speed, and the serious knee injury he sustained. Cubs gave up on him as a catcher and soon his defensive liabilities might be exposed in the outfield like they were during the 2015 playoffs. I think the comparison is instructive for demonstrating how perceptions sometimes precede reality and stats/ facts.

Any offensive or defensive stats to back up some of the opinions here?

I'd like to see some comparisons between Avi Garcia and Kyle Schwarber. Garcia is 25 while Schwarber is 24. Schwarber is about 6 ft. tall and weighs about 240 pounds. Avisail Garcia is 6 ft 4" and I am not sure of his weight because he has lost at least 15 pounds. in any case, I believe he weighs less than Schwarber. Speed on the bases and in the outfield- No comparison. Avi has plus speed. Schwarber is a dump truck with a flat tire. Nwither is a plus defender and they have both made lawn darts of themselves in the outfield. OBP and Batting Average? Schwarber appears to a consistent .240 average hitter. Avi probably will hit for a better average this season. Would the Sox trade Avi for Schwarber straight up? I wouldn't

If we can win one game against the Yankees we will return after the road trip at .500. That's pretty good considering that there a lot of team under .500 that are supposed to be good but might end up suking.

Scouts have considered more than a few games when they suggested that Moncada profiles as a Center Fielder. Among other things, he has tremendous foot speed which would be more of an asset at that position than it would be at second base. Yes, people said that about Tim Anderson, but Moncada's body type looks more like Mike Trout than Anderson's does. Moncada looks like is relatively muscle bound. Perhaps third base if he wants to play the infield. In reality, many young men that are Moncada's age don't like to listen to parents, teachers and coaches so I doubt he will. One thing I might try would be to tell Moncada that CF is there for the taking but second base may not be, especially by the time he is ready to come up. Saladino might nail down that spot down if he continues to play well.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Apr 17, 2017 -> 01:55 PM) He has played 0 professional innings in the OF. While I agree he probably profiles pretty well in CF, don't think the Sox send him out there unless he proves he cannot play the IF at the major league level. Thats at least a full year away. Numerous Scouts agree with you, namely that Moncada profiles well as a Centerfielder. Moncada wants and even insists that he play second base. Who is in charge of deciding where this guy plays? If I am the Manager at Charlotte, I tell Moncada to put an outfield glove on and get out there so I can see what he has. Let's see the speed running down balls in the gap. Can he do that, or not?

May is horrible in CF. He turned an out into an inside the park home run yesterday. He has not hit a ball with authority and mainly just strikes out. Leury Garcia on the other hand has played a decent CF. Two big plays the other day. One with his glove and the other with his strong throwing arm. There is an opening in CF for Moncada if he wants to earn it. He just needs to get off the idea that he can play second base at the major league level. He did anything but prove that during ST.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Apr 14, 2017 -> 11:09 PM) It's psychotic that we're seeing numbers like this all without Rodon. Tank for Beer is DOA.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 15, 2017 -> 09:24 AM) Maybe. Maybe I don't care what you think No need to make it personal dude.. I was addressing something that is ridiculous and unnecessary.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 15, 2017 -> 07:07 AM) It's been done here for years, if you start a gamethread and the team wins, you get to keep starting game threads until they lose Maybe something that juvenile should be discontinued.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 14, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) Asche is actually the MVP. Most Vilified Player.

I thought Gonzo was just missing around the corners of the strike zone. Better that than missing inside the strike zone. Nice game and nice series win against Cleveland. One of the only points of consensus here seems to be that Renteria has been doing a great job thus far, especially in comparison to what his predecessor (did) for the last few years.

I can't stand Benetti. I hope they move him to radio. Think of who could possibly to color commentary opposite Benetti after Stone leaves and who would even want to.

Saladino made great plays at second last season and he just made another today...possibly a game saver. Moncada was not impressive at second base in Spring Training. Why mess with Saladino if he is excelling as a second basemen? Moncada's build reminds me more of Mike Trout - solid, muscle bound, with good straight line speed. If only Moncada could put on a center fielder's glove he could really fill in a huge hole in the outfield between Melky and Avi and, at the same time, add a left hand bat with pop in the line-up. Matt Davidson has been fun to watch at the plate, but unlike Avi, he has not missed too many meals. I don't understand how he got that big. The extra weight could really limit his usefulness. On the other hand, if he can get in better shape, he could be a force. Avi Garcia is a case in point. He runs like a gazelle this year compared to years past.

" he flat out said he wanted the team sold after his death." Jerry has never said that the team was for sale and has not threatened a sale since the old days. His sons and daughter have never said what they would do with the Sox and Bulls when Jerry passes away. They could very well decide to make it a family legacy, like the Halas family has decided to do with the Bears. The value of the White Sox is in part dependent on the co-ownership of the Bulls, and vice-versa. Therefore, unless there is someone like a Mark Cuban who wants an MLB team and an NBA team, or to a Rocky Wirtz led group, the sale of either franchise on its own seems unlikely.

Selling the team has started coming up, most directly the Trib article talking about JR telling his son to sell the team in the event of his death. The Sox ownership has not brought it up. Jerry Reinsdorf did not tell his sons (he has two sons and a daughter) to sell the White Sox . The comment that he made was about the difficulty of owning a baseball team versus a basketball team and if one were to be sold, which one would make it easier to maintain. Reinsdorf's sons and daughter have never commented on this nor should they. The Reinsdorf family have the unique luxury (and leverage) of owning two professional franchises in one of the largest cities in the United States, as well as a percentage of the media outlet that covers them. The Sox, one of the leagues oldest franchises, are not going anywhere and neither are the Reinsdorfs. I want to see the White Sox win another one for Jerry.

IMO, Saladino might be the most underrated player on the team. Frazier and Salad are my favorite players on the team. Great game today. Homer calls for Cleveland's Opening Day and some bad luck here and there or we would have won.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 10:30 AM) Forbes came out today, whether they are accurate or not is always up for debate, but according to them, the team made a $41.9 million profit last year and is worth $1.35 billion. So can we forget any talk of them moving? The White Sox have never mentioned selling the team (or moving?) since Comiskey Park needed to be renovated or replaced. That doesn't stop cub fans from hoping that the Sox and their fans leave town.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 10, 2017 -> 04:19 PM) Do. Not. Mess. With. Moncada. Jerking him around is the last thing we need. I don't see how simply asking Moncada to log a few games in the outfield in the minors to see if he could handle it would be jerking him around. Moncada's speed might be a bigger asset to the team at that position than it is at second base. I don't like the idea that any player, even a highly regarded young prospect, dictates where he wants to play to the team. I bet Saladino would try to play Center if the Sox asked him, especially if he had a shot to start out there. He has already offered to be the emergency catcher. That is the attitude that you have to admire in a player, a desire to do whatever will help the team the most.

Yea I know Moncada won't do it... but if he would try to play the outfield in the minors and it worked out, that would help the team more than he could as a second basemen. That would replace Jacob May with Moncada in the line-up and leave Salad in the line-up instead of putting him on the bench when Moncada comes up. Then send Yolmar to the minors or lose Asche or Leury and bring up a LH bat to platoon with Davidson at DH..,,Delmonico, Hayes or Rayburn. IMO, both Moncada and Delmonico would behoove themselves and the Sox if they put an outfield glove on down in the minors to see if they can handle it out there.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 10, 2017 -> 12:30 PM) They are both kind of in the same bucket to me, former hyped prospects just hoping to stick now. It will get sorted out soon enough, sooner if Asche keeps going 0-fer Asche had a hit yesterday and has hit some balls hard. I am more concerned about May, who looks over matched, clueless, and weak at the plate.

Bring up Delmonico or Hayes and send down a pitcher or send Jacob May to the minors. Even with Asche platooning in RF with Avi, Delmonico could DH against RH starting pitchers or pinch hit.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Apr 9, 2017 -> 05:34 PM) No, I didn't miss the point at all. I agree with your points Mark. The Sox need to play the game right, execute the fundamentals and try to win every game. If Jacob May is the best option in CF, they need to make a trade and get someone. I don't understand why they gave up on Bourjos. It seemed like he was the perfect stop gap and place holder for Tilson. Your thoughts?