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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 05:30 PM) Why are we ignoring the other 101 games where he put up a .750 OPS? Not knocking it, but sample sizes are small, no matter how good the tools are. Risk / Reward just doesn't seem there to me and I know I'm downplaying him / playing the cynic, but people generally overrate this type of guys cause the "sky" is still the limit and everyone ignores the potential hurdles in the way. Why is Minor League OPS the only way a lot of posters judge 18-20 year old MiLB talent around here? And I'm not trying to come at you, Chisoxfn, but I've been seeing a lot of this. We have to look at the scouting reports from guys who see this guy play all the time. We have to look at the swing (no, Ryan Sweeney 10+ years ago doesn't count IMO when MiLB talent back then couldn't hold the jock strap of young baseball talent these days). We have to look at the elite and almost unmatched in the Minors hit tool by this 19 year old. We have to dream on how the power could develop in the next year or two when this young kid fills out his 6'4"/190 lb. body. We have to look at the minimal K rate and very solid BB rate. How many 19 year olds explode on the baseball scene putting up a .900 OPS? Very, very few. The development of extremely young prospects isn't a linear thing. Sure, Kyle Tucker could bust, but as another poster said, I'd be willing to bet he's a top 15-25 prospect going into 2018. It makes you wonder why Luhnow has said this 19 year old prospect is "untouchable"...

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 02:56 PM) Could've sworn Britton pitched for the O's http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...=&players=0 2014-2016 http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...=&players=0 Just 2016

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 02:23 PM) Robertson and Quintana next? What if the Rick Hahn rebuild plan ™ was to use what little assets were in the system when he took over to stock up on veterans, suck for a while, then sell them off in one big shocking off-season????? Conspiracy theories now?

In theory, I love the idea - it makes too much sense for a rebuilding team. The Blue Jays just gave up Drew Hutchinson to take on Liriano's salary + receive prospects Reese McGuire and Harold Ramirez. So essentially they gave up a bad pitcher to get a good, more expensive pitcher and got two or their now 7 or so top prospects. That's an awesome deal. The Braves did something similar (I don't recall the exact deal) in getting top pitching prospect Touki Toussaint. Even with low payrolls, I'm not gonna believe the Sox will be interested in taking on money to add more talent until proven otherwise. JR has always been one of the cheapest owners in the league.

Great read, Brian.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 10:14 PM) I don't see the Rockies being willing to part with major prospects for q. I could be wrong, and they do need pitching, but I'm not sure they feel close enough to go all in like that They just signed Ian Desmond for 5 years and are still talking about adding Trumbo or another 1B. I can't say if they'll move top prospects or not but it seems like they think they can compete.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 05:31 PM) Would people here rather have Pint or Hoffman as a second piece behind Rodgers? Personally, Pint just to get the deal done. He's super talented himself, just further away and without a TJS to boot. Rockies are clearly trying to win now. We may run into a similar wall like the Musgrove from the Astros ask. I think in any of these deals, the more MLB ready guys you try to take from teams trying to win now, ultimately the less you'll get back in terms of quality or quantity on the back end of these deals. They're also less likely to pull the trigger too. Feels that way to me, anyway. Edit: + we need Pint and Beer. Badddd

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) Well, let's say both Houston and Colorado (and others) refuse to move off of where they're currently at for the remainder of the offseason...I don't think Hahn will change his asking price just to move Q ahead of the start of the season. That's fair. Hahn said he'll remain patient until he gets what he wants. On the ESPN podcast he said they decided to rebuild at the trade deadline but simply didn't receive offers at their prices on our big pieces.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 03:02 PM) I think aside from maybe trade #3, we could get all those deals 2 years from now for Q. And risk Q getting hurt or falling off in those next 2 years.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 11:39 AM) Is there any chatter about Colorado or are we just speculating they'd be a good match? 0 chatter, pure speculation, I believe.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:53 PM) What the f*** is up with this millennial new age term: "bae"? I'm 24, 'bae' and 'lit' drive me absolutely crazy.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 03:07 PM) Two Top 10 prospect and another Top 20 feels too good to be true. Besides, prospects are arguably more important to thr Pirates than any other team. They spend even less money than us on long term contracts. Prospects are their only way to stay competitive.

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 01:20 PM) I would prefer the sox sell off Q and Gonzalez, jones and robertson and just tank the season for the #1 pick in 18 in Seth Beer and also afford them the ability to load up on vets to flip at the deadline and keep all the young arms service time down. Something like the following below Rodon* Shields Holland* Covey Anderson* In a perfect world Shields regains his form and is traded along with a healthy Holland and Anderson and Covey doesn't get destroyed at the major league level, while Fulmer, Giolito and Lopez trickle in to replace them after the trade deadline or DFA. #TankForBeer

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 02:25 PM) I'd add Jones to get Rodgers/Tapia/Pint/flier for Q. That'd be arguably better than the Sale deal. I gotta disagree there. Jones coming off a 175 ERA+ season and has an amazingly cheap contract. I would be willing to add Jennings or Robertson + cash easily to make that package happen. Dave Cameron says he thinks we could get a Giles type of depth package for Jones and I think it would be amazing to add 3-5 non-elite, but very good prospects or pieces for Jones either now or midseason when teams in contention are super desperate.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 02:14 PM) I'm still surprised we haven't heard the Rockies linked to Q. I would take this deal in a heartbeat. It's my favorite potential deal as well. Rodgers is going to be a slam-dunk awesome Major League hitter barring injuries and would look great at 3B for us in a couple years. The Rox are said to be looking for a TOR starter.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 01:32 PM) Any other cynics here think that the "rebuilding idea" and the two trades were just excuses to get rid of "perceived" problems in Sale and Eaton and the Sox are done trading? No. Check out Hahn's quotes over the past 5 days. The quotes paired with the trades that have happened + the trades that are being discussed will tell you everything you need to know. I was one of the cynics before this week happened, but I'm convinced they're going full rebuild on dat ass.

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 01:09 PM) I think Musgrove has the stuff and ability to profile like John Lackey or are very own James Shields. Low 90s fastball with heavy sink a solid slider and good but developing change. He has a K/9 north of 7.5 nearly 8 and BB/9 of 2.3. I'm not doubting Musgrove is a good piece to get back at all. I should have specified that Musgrove is their #5 as currently sloted. Not a #5 potential-wise.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 12:01 PM) Please explain why a team that needs pitching would be willing to trade away 2 starters, to get just one back, especially when one of them is their number one prospect and ready to contribute next year. 1. Prospects aren't sure things. 2. Q has been a top 3 consistent SP in baseball the last 3 seasons. 3. Musgrove is a #5.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) I'd have a problem if they asked for less than that. Zero incentive to give away Q just to trade him. I mean from Houston's standpoint - to get a pitcher like Q for that ask. Pull the trigger all day if you're Luhnow with how consistent Q is. As another poster said, I bet the hangup was the inclusion of Musgrove off their MLB roster.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:00 AM) Peter Gammons ‏@pgammo now6 seconds ago When Astros askewd on Jose Quintana, Chisox asked 3 names:Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker, Joe Musgrove 0 problem with that ask.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) I hope you all are right. I have this fear that they think they can still compete by having those 3 start with the team on opening day. If the plan truly is to start all 3 in the minors, it's even more reason to move Frazier, melky, and Robertson now in my opinion. The current market conditions seem very favorable to moving those guys this offseason as soon as Jansen and Turner sign. Plus that frees up money to sign some cheap vets to plug holes with warm bodies. Check out Hahn's most recent quotes. He mentions that there will be some bumps in the road and pain as well as expecting to compete within the next 5 years. His rhetoric mixed with the recent moves leads me to believe they are going for an everything-must-go rebuild.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) Congrats to Fowler as his recent play earned him that payday Personally I would not have given out that contract to a player after a career year Fowler is around a 2 WAR player due to poor defense, which is not likely to improve age 30-35 Supposedly STL vastly overpaid to ensure they'd land him for sure. I agree with you, though. Huge contract for a solid contributer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 12:19 PM) Fairly certain is WAY overstating the case. Much more certain that we were on Monday. On Monday, we had no present AND no future. Now we're being called a team of the future industry-wide. We're in a much better position and still have 5-7 flippable assets. We'll have the top farm in baseball after moving Q, Frazier, Robertson, Melky, Jennings, and Jones - and it won't even be close.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 11:59 AM) When will they win in season? Check back next decade. Very early next decade

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 11:50 AM) Daz Cameron's inability to hit brings big question's into his ability to advance up the ladder. Tools don't matter if you can't get on base I know, that's what I was getting at. The lack of performance and being a tools guy instead of a skills guy is what makes him trash. I'm willing to bet he dropped in the draft because a lot of teams view him this way.