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They just signed one this past offseason. How low are your expectations?

I agree. I don't trade Crochet unless someone makes a crazy offer. So let's say you have Crochet and another FA SP in the middle of the rotation. I feel ok that they can get 3-4 guys out of the dozen guys in the minors and any other signings or trades that haven't happened yet. If you keep Robert, turn 2 position players from the minors into regulars, find 1 or 2 position players this deadline, you're looking at two offseasons to find another 3-4 guys. Maybe I'm nuts, but those numbers don't seem outlandish to me. Will the team have a shot at the world series? Probably not. But I'll be able to come home from work in the summer and put a baseball game on that doesn't feel like someone kicking me in the balls instead of a stupid netflix documentary about a tiktok cult.

This is a team that is 1 game above .500 right now. If it takes until 2030 to build an offense as good as this, you're all right about Getz.

Why are we assuming they make no trades, promotions, or free agent signings over a two year period? All you did was list out guys on a historically bad team and typed "no one" in bold letters in a bunch of places.

Yup. He was bad at being a GM.

In the fantasy land scenario where you have Luis Robert and 4 regulars making the minimum, I think we can find 4 other guys in free agency or via trade over the course of 2 years.

Narrowly edging out the Pluto Athletics in exciting fashion.

Luckily for Aly, according to her timeline, when the Sox are approaching .500 again, there will be no need to log on to fangraphs. She will be able to simply look up any stat projected from alien overload, Xeno-5587, into the government mandated chip all humans get transplanted in our brains after the war of 3052 AD.

Yeah that's the type of stuff I'm referencing. This is a dumb question but wouldn't that flaw be exposed in AA too? I always figured AA has hard throwers and AAA has guys like Touki Toussaint mixed in with guys from AA on their way to the MLB.

I didn't think you were... Didn't mean to imply that. I have noticed other posts being a little more negative about him in the last couple of weeks and your comment made me think of it.

That's awesome. How many pitchers are above Schultz? Feels like a portion of Soxtalk has almost written off Montgomery. I don't hear anything negative about him anywhere else. @Sleepy Harold@Y2Jimmy0, is it just the echo chamber here or are there serious concerns about him?

Playing the hits today! Now we've reached the part of the discussion where you claim they dumped a bunch of minor leaguers but can't come up with any names except for a guy who just got suspended a year for gambling and 4 more 28 year olds. I love this one. Are you taking requests? I haven't heard "He should play more kids instead of the vet placeholders even though I sometimes claim they are rushing prospects". That's a favorite of mine.

Lol, this is the problem. You argue he is the exact same as Hahn. I point to evidence showing that he is different and the response is "but we suck." On one hand you claim it will take 8 years to reach .500 and then in another post, you b**** that Getz didn't turn a horrible 100 loss team with big problems into a good team in a few months. I don't know if he's going to be any good. He's done some good things and some bad things. But to say we need to trade Crochet for 17 year olds because we'll never be good again is silly.

Sure I can. They turned over about half the roster in one offseason, which was the highest percentage in the majors this year https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-teams-with-most-roster-turnover-in-2024 The guy publicly said "I don't like our team" at the winter meetings. There's plenty of evidence he's different. He hired new people like Bannister and Barfield and Watson and Janish. Your argument is just a variation of "We were bad last year and we are still bad, therefore, its all the same."

He had to cut salary and took over a horseshit team. Him signing Martin Maldonado for a 1 year deal means nothing. You act like his core philosophy is signing lower tier FAs. He was a body. You and a couple others here keep saying prospects are being rushed. There is currently a logjam in the minors on the pitching side because he isn't rushing a guy like Thorpe. Who has been rushed? Ramos came up for a little bit and Fletcher has been up and down twice. Everyone is saying they are trying to keep the AA team together as long as possible. I don't see anyone being rushed. Who is currently on the team that should be in the minors? I don't understand your last point... he dumped bad players? Great.

Are you real young? He took over a shitty team with no payroll flexibility and now he has a slightly shittier team with payroll flexibility on the horizon. He didn't take any big swings due to the circumstance. If Samuel Zavala being bad for a couple months (while Thorpe and Iriarte look awesome, btw) is the biggest miss of the offseason, I'm cool with that.

I don't think anyone knows yet. He has been in the job for less than a year and spent the first part of his tenure just cleaning the roster out. He acquired placeholders in a lost season when he obviously needed to shed some salary and everyone knew they were just waiting for Moncada, Eloy, etc. to come off the books Guys like Dejong, Lopez, Maldanado, Pham, Julks, Mendick... Dejong has been fine for what he is. Pham looks fine. Lopez is what Lopez is. This group doesn't tell me anything about his ability to acquire position players. What position prospects has he acquired? Fletcher and DeLoach? Jury is still out on Fletcher. DeLoach was one of 3 pieces in a trade for an injured bullpen arm. Don't think anyone ever had high hopes for him. I think its reasonable to give the guy this offseason to see what he does and who he picks up.

I mean, there's a new front office. Andrew Vaughn was drafted FIVE years ago by the former GM and former scouting director. Him being a bust doesn't matter to me one way or another. They need to be better this time around. The previous guys got fired for a reason.

I know this is an unpopular opinion here, but claiming we cant sniff a playoff spot until 2030 or have no real shot at .500 until 2027 is wild to me. I agree that they have very little position players but they have like a dozen pitchers that will all be making their debuts starting at the end of this year and next year. Those guys are all coming up. They better have a plan to get some bats. Lets assume we are fine with rolling with Lee/Quero/Cheap FA Vet at catcher. We have Ramos, Montgomery, Gonzalez, Baldwin in high minors. For the sake of argument, let's say 2 become regular starters on the left side of the infield and two suck. Robert in CF. We have like 70 million dollars coming off the books. They will have this year's draft. They will have this year's trade deadline. You cant find a 1b, 2b, DH, and a couple of OFers in 5 years?? I'm not saying there's an easy path to becoming the Dodgers but it should not take the biggest market in the AL Central 6+ years to field a team that can win 88 games.... especially when all their best prospects are in AA and AAA.

I know Salas is highly touted but I wouldn't be trading him for 17 or 18 year olds right now. If I'm moving Robert or Crochet, I want guys who are here in the next 18 months.

Yeah. Clevinger was under investigation by the MLB and they told the Padres and the Sox signed him (presumably not knowing).

So you think its more likely that he wasn't showing up to the team for another unrelated reason and no one at MLB notified the Sox that they were investigating him and Getz just randomly DFA'd him by coincidence. Makes sense.

34 SBs is nuts. It looks like he has 31 hits and 13 walks. So he's been on base 44 times and stole 34 bases. That's fun.

He's definitely a member of Bill Simmons' "Reggie Cleveland All-Stars" aka white athletes who have names that make them sound black.

I'm drawing a blank on the third of Tres Garcias... Avi, Leury, and who?