Squirmin' for Yermin

QUOTE (pablo @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:48 PM) I floated a Hansen + Rutherford package in another thread which I think is a good start. Depending on the rankings that come out, these guys could both be top 75 prospects heading into next season. I know Hansen might be off limits for people but Yelich would be tough to pass up. I'd be in favor of bringing in a cost-controlled star particularly position players because I just don't see Sox being able to bring in the top FA's. Yes we'll have the money, but do players really want to come here? And don't forget, Sox have two top 50 picks in next draft that will help offset the loss of any prospects traded this season. Not to mention maybe dealing Avi, trading for Kemp and prospects etc. Rutherford isn't top 100 and I'd be surprised if Hansen isn't top 50

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) What gives you the "feeling" that Giolito was included? I really doubt that. I'd vomit

I'd imagine more at the deadline as teams get more desperate to win. or see there window as winning now

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 09:47 PM) I still think they look for an upgrade at 1B/DH. This was more as insurance so the Ramirez option doesn't vest. Ramirez is RH Moreland LH. If Ramirez option vests it costs them 22 million. He needs like 400 plus PA. I find it hard to believe even with Moreland and some other new addition that his option doesn't vest. 400 PA is not many especially considering this is a hopeful playoff team that won't bench it's best players just because of an option (even though it sucks). Only way around the option for them is if they find a trade partner for him which is doubtful

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 19, 2017 -> 11:38 AM) I'm not mad at all. I just like to see us draft some highschoolers and be active in IFA to build a 2nd line after the 1st wave gets promoted. I also don't want to see a situation where we have guys blocked either. You're completely right about this.. We need some young prospects to help for continued success.

I'd prefer a HS bat if available. Especially up the middle. De Sadas or Turnag. But if somehow Hankins falls you have to pick him

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 04:27 PM) How long would a team be willing to go on Donaldson? I see him getting a 3 year deal with an option for a 4th covering his age 33-36 seasons. at least a 4 year deal with probably an option for a 5th. I think using Encarnacion's contract as a sample is good.

I agree they were never signing both but it is strange that they shut down the Hosmer front (backup plan) before they've even acquired JD Martinez...

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 03:53 PM) With the Red Sox resigning Moreland to a two year deal I think we can likely kill the Abreu to Boston rumor for now Crazy that Boston hasn't improved that position lol. It's unbelievable, especially considering what the Yankees have done.

QUOTE (pablo @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 03:24 PM) I didn't want to start another thread for this since it is pure speculation and no reports have mentioned the Sox being interested so i just picked this one, but with the Yelich news today (apparently he wants to talk to management about getting out of MIA), wondering what everyone's thoughts are on him. At first, I think it would be an easy assumption to make that Yelich would cost an Adam Eaton package (if not more) but I am not necessarily convinced of that. Eaton was coming off a a 6+ WAR campaign whereas Yelich has never exceeded 4.5 (3 seasons of exactly 4.5). Eaton had 3 years remaining on contract at $14M plus two option years and Yelich has 5 years at $35M plus one option year - so Eaton 5 years less money, Yelich 6 years more money. We do have to factor that Yelich is three years younger, but overall Eaton could be seen as having a little more trade value than Yelich at this time last year. I think we all can agree the Eaton deal was an overpay as well - but it was a contending team that thought Eaton would help them get over the top while costing very little. In light of that, I don't think Yelich would cost a team two top 50 prospects and a previous years first rounder like Washington gave up for Eaton. More likely one top 50 prospect and some good prospects to supplement the package. https://tomahawktake.com/2017/12/18/atlanta...an-yelich-cost/ I typically don't read Fansided articles as they are pointless, but the author did put some thought into this one. It compares the trade package for Ozuna vs what a trade package for Yelich would look like from the Braves perspective. To sum it up for Yelich: Ian Anderson (#5 ATL prospect, #50 per MLB.com), Kyle Muller (#10) Christian Pache (#11) and some lower prospects that I won't mention. I think a package from the Sox perspective that would be similar and likely beat this proposed deal would be - Hansen/Cease, Rutherford, Fulmer. I would not dip into the Eloy, Kopech/Robert trio, but anyone else would be on the table (within the right combination). And this is coming from a guy that thinks Rutherford took too much heat last year for his struggles and not indicative of a failed prospect like some on here think. 5 years of Yelich when this team is just about to contend again (hopefully 2019) would be huge, rather than waiting to see if Rutherford/Robert/Adolfo are the next big things come 2020. I also think it would be a great signal to any free agents in the coming years that Sox are serious about contending and not just rebuilding. Sorry for the rambling, but been on a my mind on awhile as we sift through the confusion of the proposed Machado deal. I'd be okay with a move such as that.. However I view Hansen as our #3 prospects behind Eloy and Kopech so I don't want to trade him. But if you could work out a Cease and Rutherford package that would be interesting to both clubs I'm sure

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) Great post. Sox fans, like almost all fans of all teams, tend to devalue their own players while overvaluing others. Human nature. The unknown is always better. People follow Abreu every day and see all his warts. Manny, meanwhile, is a concept. A great concept. GO SOX! Win the pennant someday with Avi and Abreu please! What are you even talking about.. goodness mate

Why do people continue and continue and continue to say that Collins "isn't far behind".. The dude was a major disappointment.. Sure he can rebound but thinking we will see him this year at all is asanine and seeing him in 2019 before a possible september call up is also wishful thinking.. He isn't even close.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 10:16 PM) No top prospects involved apparently. O's don't like us because we may trade with Spankees. Good news! Have likely or real is that rumor with us and the yankees? Also what is considered "no top prospects"? No Giolito? No Lopez? Or do we really not know still

I haven't been on the page in a day so I'd rather not read 50 pages.. Is there any info/rumors on who might or is definitely not involved here?

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 09:03 PM) Very cool man. Got an Alex Call story we might find interesting or funny? I didn't really know him too well.. My roommate was on the ball state team so I was around a little bit.. Just us playing on the same softball team and some parties hahah Good times.

I went to Ball State with Alex Call. We actually even played on the same slow pitch softball team in the fall. (I played on a ball state baseball team). He's a cool, down to earth dude. Never seemed like a tool or that he was too good for the sport. Cool guy.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:57 PM) If you are a contender, sure you could do that. Mortgaging the future for a one-year wonder who could lead you to the promised land. The Cubs actually should do what it takes to get him. Gut the remaining portion of the farm for Machado. He'd probably be what they need to win another WS. They don't have a spot for him

QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 01:58 PM) FWIW this guy says the Cardinals arent willing to put Reyes and Weaver in a Machado deal. @Frank_Cusumano Now that Ozuna is done, @Cardinals move on: I am told they will not, will not consider moving Reyes and Weaver for Machado. https://twitter.com/Frank_Cusumano/status/941394266793959426 Well this makes me nervous because that's a massive package...

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 01:34 PM) Agreed which is why I hope the Sox bet on him for next year This is the most valuable Avi will get.. It's a pretty bad bet that you hope to get more value in the future than now.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 01:23 PM) Bichette is a top 35-50 prospect in baseball. No chance Avi has that type of value. Yes I agree, I shot too high. My +'s were really guys falling outside of their top 30 that aren't likely to make an impact

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 01:22 PM) No chance we get Bichette ++ for Avi. my +'s were guys outside their top 30. Would wind up being the backend guys we got from the Cubs deal

I'd absolutely love a deal with Toronto. Bichette ++ would be great.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:27 PM) If the Sox were actually trying to acquire MM, trading assets Avi and Abreu makes no sense. Not signing any decent relievers makes no sense. You trade for one of the stars of the game on a 1 year deal, you may as well try make the team around him a contender. Then we get stuck at the same place we were for the past 10 years.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) https://mobile.twitter.com/scottmerkin/stat...329771035807744 someone translate for me please

I'm just annoyed now.. How could we not take a flyer on at LEAST 1 RP