GreenSox Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 27, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) I am not so sure that a relief pitcher shouldn't be taken as a 1st round pick anymore, just because of what some GM's are giving up for them. It's insane what the elite relievers command in trade value. Trade a couple high end relievers like the Yanks did and wham you can rebuild your farm. All for guys who play maybe less than 5 % of the total innings played ? The Yankees are very smart for trading Chapman and Miller. Sure - the 2 best relief pitches in baseball brought that return. People seem to think that's what Burdi will be. Highly unlikely. Draft someone and he develops into one of the top starters or hitters in baseball and he will bring 3 x the return those 2 did. What will Robertson bring? What did Addison Reed net out? Those are more realistic and probable goals for Burdi. And in the end, a player drafted where Burdi was drafted should be a top 100 prospect in short order...which is basically what the return on Reed was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 27, 2016 -> 03:57 PM) Sure - the 2 best relief pitches in baseball brought that return. People seem to think that's what Burdi will be. Highly unlikely. Draft someone and he develops into one of the top starters or hitters in baseball and he will bring 3 x the return those 2 did. What will Robertson bring? What did Addison Reed net out? Those are more realistic and probable goals for Burdi. And in the end, a player drafted where Burdi was drafted should be a top 100 prospect in short order...which is basically what the return on Reed was. Don't forget Santos. In hindsight, the price for Giles to the Astros was nutty, but you had a playoff team with lots of minor league talent and a weakness on the big league roster. Kimbrel to the Red Sox, a lot of that had to do with DD's aggressiveness/farm system depth and a glaring need again. To say you can consistently count on that happening, not so sure that there won't be another course correction with more focus on drafting advanced collegiate relievers in rounds 2-5. The Oakland A's were the ones who started the idea of selling high on closers in years 2-4 of their six years before everyone else caught on and started copying them. Now teams are simply copying teams like KC or the Twins in the 2000's because it turned out to be a unique winning formula for constructing a team more cost effectively without overpaying for free agent starting pitching (or building around defense). Of course, that has now driven up the salaries for those 7th and 8th inning set up guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 (edited) http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...ck-burdi-season http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0903-story.html Hype machine rolling out more Burdi praises...mostly from Kevan Smith. Poor Mr. Smith doesn't get asked about his season, injury, future prospects with the Sox. Of course, we saw it before with Rodon and Austin. At least we don't have comments from Cubs' prospects on him, so there's that. Edited September 4, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 4, 2016 -> 01:40 AM) http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...ck-burdi-season http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0903-story.html Hype machine rolling out more Burdi praises...mostly from Kevan Smith. Poor Mr. Smith doesn't get asked about his season, injury, future prospects with the Sox. Of course, we saw it before with Rodon and Austin. At least we don't have comments from Cubs' prospects on him, so there's that. Well at least we have you to let us know not to believe in the hype Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 (edited) Actually, another poster has warned us over and over again not to expect anything out of the 26th pick. Of course, Mike Trout was selected just after that. At this point, it's probably better to hold back the "reveal" for 2017, as selling Fulmer and Burdi as being like two new acquisitions will be a key element of the offseason marketing strategy. This is your chance...do you believe Burdi will end up with more career saves for the White Sox than David Robertson? Edited September 4, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 4, 2016 -> 08:35 AM) Actually, another poster has warned us over and over again not to expect anything out of the 26th pick. Of course, Mike Trout was selected just after that. At this point, it's probably better to hold back the "reveal" for 2017, as selling Fulmer and Burdi as being like two new acquisitions will be a key element of the offseason marketing strategy. This is your chance...do you believe Burdi will end up with more career saves for the White Sox than David Robertson? When was Mike Trout selected? And of course you totally misinterpreted what I said about the pick. I never stated great players weren't on the board at that time, I went back through the actual 26 picks 25 years and picking a releiver who is actually good makes your pick better than most of the others. It was a point to people who say you don't draft relievers that high. No Deception Jomes has a career WAR almost as high as the last 25 #26 picks combined. Edited September 4, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 "No Deception Jomes" will be a great board nickname for next season while he's struggling in the closer's role. Gracias para su asistencia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 4, 2016 -> 08:35 AM) Actually, another poster has warned us over and over again not to expect anything out of the 26th pick. Of course, Mike Trout was selected just after that. At this point, it's probably better to hold back the "reveal" for 2017, as selling Fulmer and Burdi as being like two new acquisitions will be a key element of the offseason marketing strategy. This is your chance...do you believe Burdi will end up with more career saves for the White Sox than David Robertson? Seriously. Why? Leave each other alone. We don't need this crap in every single thread. Put each other on ignore, stop arguing with each other. Now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 4, 2016 -> 09:41 AM) When was Mike Trout selected? And of course you totally misinterpreted what I said about the pick. I never stated great players weren't on the board at that time, I went back through the actual 26 picks 25 years and picking a releiver who is actually good makes your pick better than most of the others. It was a point to people who say you don't draft relievers that high. No Deception Jomes has a career WAR almost as high as the last 25 #26 picks combined. I think any time your 26th pick makes and sticks on the roster you did well. I don't care what position they play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 4, 2016 -> 08:35 AM) Actually, another poster has warned us over and over again not to expect anything out of the 26th pick. Of course, Mike Trout was selected just after that. At this point, it's probably better to hold back the "reveal" for 2017, as selling Fulmer and Burdi as being like two new acquisitions will be a key element of the offseason marketing strategy. This is your chance...do you believe Burdi will end up with more career saves for the White Sox than David Robertson? I seriously could give a s*** where he was drafted and hope he is as good as advertised by everyone but you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Burdi is making fools of AAA batters. As of right now, unless every first, second and third rounder picked after him becomes a Hall of Famer, I'm content with the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 I can't tweet at work but Josh Nelson just retweeted something that said Burdi's season is over. He's headed to Louisville to take classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 rickbozich @rickbozich 3h3 hours ago Zack Burdi's first pro season in books -- 51 Ks, 23 hits in 38 innings. He's bound for Louisville & classes, not @whitesox -- yet. #L1C4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 And yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 I certainly see no reason to bring up Burdi this season. Maybe in spring 2017 he takes a spot in the Sox bullpen. I am betting it gets revamped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Good. Get him to W-S next April and have him starting games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Sep 6, 2016 -> 09:55 PM) Good. Get him to W-S next April and have him starting games. Birmingham, but yes I agree. And if we really go the rebuild route, I fully expect us to give him that opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 6, 2016 -> 01:12 PM) rickbozich @rickbozich 3h3 hours ago Zack Burdi's first pro season in books -- 51 Ks, 23 hits in 38 innings. He's bound for Louisville & classes, not @whitesox -- yet. #L1C4. Nice, but this is still the first thing I picture when I hear his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Sep 7, 2016 -> 11:45 AM) Nice, but this is still the first thing I picture when I hear his name. Way better than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Benetti talks to Burdi during the game last night. https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/775729523992113152 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 3h3 hours ago Sox prospect Burdi pleased with first season http://atmlb.com/2ccpUOB via @mlb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 01:52 PM) Benetti talks to Burdi during the game last night. https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/775729523992113152 So he did come to Chicago this season!/green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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