Dozier for two top 50 prospects is pretty insane considering how bad he was just a year ago.

Dozier has been worth 4.7, 3.3, and 5.9 WAR per Fangraphs over the last 3 years. The Dodgers might be overpaying, but Brian Dozer is a terrific player that will be paid significantly less than market value over the next 2 years.

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 1m1 minute ago

The #Nationals tried to get #WhiteSox to expand the Adam Eaton trade to include closer Todd Frazier, but Sox refused, will deal separately

 

Well that is one way to explode Frazier's trade value.

Turner back to the Dodgers so cross them off.

 

Jon Morosi

‏@jonmorosi

Justin Turner’s deal with #Dodgers, when complete, expected to be 4 years. @Ken_Rosenthal just reported LA close on Turner and Jansen. @MLB

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Turner back to the Dodgers so cross them off.

 

Jon Morosi

‏@jonmorosi

Justin Turner’s deal with #Dodgers, when complete, expected to be 4 years. @Ken_Rosenthal just reported LA close on Turner and Jansen. @MLB

 

 

Both deals are done.

 

Jansen back to the Dodgers 5/80 Million per Rosenthal.

 

Damn, Dodgers with all of their million of dollars.

 

That is one trade partner thrown in the toilet.

 

I wonder if the the White Sox turn to the Mets and Nats to see if they will play off of each other. I suspect the Nats are done dealing with the White Sox though.

I dont know what this guy's market is anymore. There may be teams interested but they wont be fighting with each other over him and without the Dodgers the Sox dont have a desperate buyer to leverage. May have to wait until injuries hit during the season and sell him then.

Ya Frazier's market is very thin man. I expect them to keep him and launch him at the deadline.

I dont know what this guy's market is anymore. There may be teams interested but they wont be fighting with each other over him and without the Dodgers the Sox dont have a desperate buyer to leverage. May have to wait until injuries hit during the season and sell him then.

 

Wow the Dodgers giving 5/80 to Jansen and looking like 4/64 to Turner

 

So much for them "shedding" payroll. Big spenders spend

Ya Frazier's market is very thin man. I expect them to keep him and launch him at the deadline.

 

It wouldn't be the end of the world to keep Frazier until the deadline when teams could use a bat

 

Players like Melky, Frazier, Robertson, Abreu and Jones could be valuable to a contending team in need of bullpen help or a bat

Who else was in on Turner? We know the Nats and Marlins were in on Jensen, so have an idea of other teams who might be interested in Robertson's services, but I have a harder time knowing when it comes to Frazier.

The Giants had interest in him until they signed Melancon. Other than that his market appeared to dry up and he went back to the Dodgers. I know he's 31 and WAR isn't perfect but he did put up a 5.6 fWAR in 2016 and now he's "only" getting like $18m per. Teams just aren't out there looking for 3B right now.

Who else was in on Turner? We know the Nats and Marlins were in on Jensen, so have an idea of other teams who might be interested in Robertson's services, but I have a harder time knowing when it comes to Frazier.

I could've sworn I remember the Cardinals being mentioned before.

Who else was in on Turner? We know the Nats and Marlins were in on Jensen, so have an idea of other teams who might be interested in Robertson's services, but I have a harder time knowing when it comes to Frazier.

 

I thought I heard Cardinals.

I thought I heard Cardinals.

They seem like a good fit for Frazier.

I still think Frazier gets dealt, but man the Dodgers had a lot of very interesting prospects at many levels, many positions and many points on the value scale. There were a lot of different kinds of deals the Sox could've made with the Dodgers that I would have liked. I dont feel the same way about the Cardinals or Colorado.

Not sure about this but possibly the Yankees if they deal Headley somehow before Frazier is traded or the Mets as insurance for David Wright.Bith teams have other options obviously, The Mets or Yanks would welcome the NJ native and Todd would like to play out East, I think.

He's a great guy and I'd be sorry to lose his presence on the team, but nt that Hahn os blowing it up, it would be best for him as well as the team to trade him.

Same with Robertson and Melky.

I would love to package Shields in any trade. Just get rid of him somehow some way.

Not sure about this but possibly the Yankees if they deal Headley somehow before Frazier is traded or the Mets as insurance for David Wright.Bith teams have other options obviously, The Mets or Yanks would welcome the NJ native and Todd would like to play out East, I think.

He's a great guy and I'd be sorry to lose his presence on the team, but nt that Hahn os blowing it up, it would be best for him as well as the team to trade him.

Same with Robertson and Melky.

I would love to package Shields in any trade. Just get rid of him somehow some way.

 

Unfortunately we are stuck with Shields, unless he miraculously pitches well enough to trade in 2017

Not sure about this but possibly the Yankees if they deal Headley somehow before Frazier is traded or the Mets as insurance for David Wright.Bith teams have other options obviously, The Mets or Yanks would welcome the NJ native and Todd would like to play out East, I think.

He's a great guy and I'd be sorry to lose his presence on the team, but nt that Hahn os blowing it up, it would be best for him as well as the team to trade him.

Same with Robertson and Melky.

I would love to package Shields in any trade. Just get rid of him somehow some way.

 

Why on Earth would you want to reduce anyone's return by packaging Shields with them? Let Shields suck here for the next two years while eating some innings since the team is going to suck anyways.

Why on Earth would you want to reduce anyone's return by packaging Shields with them? Let Shields suck here for the next two years while eating some innings since the team is going to suck anyways.

Duh

Interesting to think of it in these terms.

 

Jansen's $80 million deal turns into a $154 million deal with the next luxury cap penalties included. With the old 50% threshold it would have been $120. The Turner deal at $64 million turns into 123.2 million versus $96 million under the old CBA. These two contracts are costing the team an EXTRA $61.2 million in penalties that weren't there a month ago. That total is barely smaller than the White Sox all time biggest contract in franchise history.

Interesting to think of it in these terms.

 

Jansen's $80 million deal turns into a $154 million deal with the next luxury cap penalties included. With the old 50% threshold it would have been $120. The Turner deal at $64 million turns into 123.2 million versus $96 million under the old CBA. These two contracts are costing the team an EXTRA $61.2 million in penalties that weren't there a month ago. That total is barely smaller than the White Sox all time biggest contract in franchise history.

 

 

This is an example where money doesn't translate into a winner. Same with Yankees and a few others. I really have no problem in keeping Frazier. a good glove man hitting 40 homers a year and driving in 100 RBI's is a good guy to have around.

Interesting to think of it in these terms.

 

Jansen's $80 million deal turns into a $154 million deal with the next luxury cap penalties included. With the old 50% threshold it would have been $120. The Turner deal at $64 million turns into 123.2 million versus $96 million under the old CBA. These two contracts are costing the team an EXTRA $61.2 million in penalties that weren't there a month ago. That total is barely smaller than the White Sox all time biggest contract in franchise history.

Here it is explained better. It isn't as much as you think, but it is still a lot

 

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/...iggest-payrolls

Here is speculation the Giants could pursue Frazier (http://www.knbr.com/2016/12/07/brisbee-giants-could-make-move-for-todd-frazier/)

 

Anyone worthwhile we could realistically get?

Here is speculation the Giants could pursue Frazier (http://www.knbr.com/2016/12/07/brisbee-giants-could-make-move-for-todd-frazier/)

 

Anyone worthwhile we could realistically get?

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/prospect-re...ancisco-giants/

 

Take a look. The Los Angeles Dodgers it is not.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/prospect-re...ancisco-giants/

 

Take a look. The Los Angeles Dodgers it is not.

 

I'd target Arroyo and Beede easily. Their system is much to be desired, so I think we can definitely get a couple of their top prospects.

St. Louis, come on down