southsider2k5 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) Eh.. if he's playing 2B, he doesn't need to hit 20+ bombs a year since it isn't a power hitting position. Will he be an all star? Probably not, but he still can be a very productive player whose high OBP, solid contact rate and solid fielding can be essential in building a world series team.Now I will say this, he better not be the top position prospect in any deal wit h Q. As a second or third position player? He's fine. Yeah, this is what I am saying. We blew the deal if he is the top position player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) My opinion on "fair" value from the suitors. NYY: Frazier, Andujar, Kaprellian. Torres deal: Torres, Rutherford, Adams, Kyle Holder HOU: Martes, Tucker, Stubbs, Ferrell PIT: Meadows, Hayes, Diaz Not sure if I'm way off base or not, but these make sense to me. My own feelings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Eh.. if he's playing 2B, he doesn't need to hit 20+ bombs a year since it isn't a power hitting position. Will he be an all star? Probably not, but he still can be a very productive player whose high OBP, solid contact rate and solid fielding can be essential in building a world series team. Now I will say this, he better not be the top position prospect in any deal with Q. As a second or third position player? He's fine. The player you just described is basically an infield version of Adam Eaton with more power. I just wish the Pirates had one more like him. Give me two Kevin Newman's plus Keller (or Glasnow, even if I'm not a believer) and I'd be happy. But as its stands Ke'Bryan Hayes is a 20 year old who has just over 500 career PA's and Cole Tucker couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat. The Pirates are short a piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) My opinion on "fair" value from the suitors. NYY: Frazier OR Torres, Rutherford, Andujar, and a low level (A+ or below) high upside pitcher. HOU: Martes, Tucker, Reed, Perez, and Stubbs OR Laureano PIT: Meadows, Newman, Keller, and Hayes Not sure if I'm way off base or not, but these make sense to me. You are not too far off base for what it would take to actually get a deal done The final Yankees piece would have to be one of Adams/Clarkin/Montgomery for a deal to make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) My own feelings Those feel pretty light to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) My own feelings "My opinion on "fair" value from the suitors. NYY: Frazier, Andujar, Kaprellian. Torres deal: Torres, Rutherford, Adams, Kyle Holder HOU: Martes, Tucker, Stubbs, Ferrell PIT: Meadows, Hayes, Diaz Not sure if I'm way off base or not, but these make sense to me." NYY: Frazier, Andujar, Kaprellian (feels light for 4 seasons of Quintana...big drop off in value between Frazier and Andujar/Kaprellian) Torres deal is closer, but still light. Martes + Tucker is a start, but I don't think Stubbs or Ferrell are good enough to be a third piece in a deal. Pass Meadows + Hayes + Diaz is considerably light. Keller would have to be included Edited January 10, 2017 by steveno89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:10 AM) The player you just described is basically an infield version of Adam Eaton with more power. Eaton was a much better hitter in the minors, but I agree I'll definitely take an infield version of him. Hell, I'll take a poor man's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) Eaton was a much better hitter in the minors, but I agree I'll definitely take an infield version of him. Hell, I'll take a poor man's. Part of that may have been the leagues Eaton was playing in (pcl, etc) but yes Eaton had great slugging numbers in minors. I mentioned Melky, though, and he isn't far off. Melky slugged a bit higher but pretty similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 If they get either Meadows or Torres without it being what amounts to a 1-for-1 swap I'll be happy. If the deal doesn't include one of those two I want three top 100 (consensus, not snuck in at 97 on one list) with at least one, preferably the best, being a position player and a 4th lower level player added. I'm not getting too hung up on specific names, if a deal feels right I'll like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) If they get either Meadows or Torres without it being what amounts to a 1-for-1 swap I'll be happy. If the deal doesn't include one of those two I want three top 100 (consensus, not snuck in at 97 on one list) with at least one, preferably the best, being a position player and a 4th lower level player added. I'm not getting too hung up on specific names, if a deal feels right I'll like it. Glasnow, Keller and Newman are three top 50 names. Pretty sure you've said that feels light, but may be confusing you with a different poster, which is certainly possible at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Glasnow, Keller and Newman are three top 50 names. Pretty sure you've said that feels light, but may be confusing you with a different poster, which is certainly possible at this point. I've said that I dont believe in Tyler Glasnow much, but Keller + Newman headlining feels like a decent start. The quality of the 4th name makes or breaks that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) If they get either Meadows or Torres without it being what amounts to a 1-for-1 swap I'll be happy. If the deal doesn't include one of those two I want three top 100 (consensus, not snuck in at 97 on one list) with at least one, preferably the best, being a position player and a 4th lower level player added. I'm not getting too hung up on specific names, if a deal feels right I'll like it. Quintana is projected to be worth roughly $133 million in surplus value Torres or Meadows are, at best, worth roughly $72 million each in surplus value based on prospect valuation. That leaves over $60 million in additional surplus value to be accounted for in trade value...which means significantly more would have to be headed to the White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Baseball AmericaVerified account @BaseballAmerica The @astros are reluctant to part with Francis Martes, knowing the righty could debut in 2017, @jakemkaplan writes. http://bba.am/Cmgzxy Houston can go f*** off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 http://m.braves.mlb.com/news/article/21309...quire-starters/ Garfien did say he heard braves made an offer along with astros and pirates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:30 AM) Baseball AmericaVerified account @BaseballAmerica The @astros are reluctant to part with Francis Martes, knowing the righty could debut in 2017, @jakemkaplan writes. http://bba.am/Cmgzxy Houston can go f*** off Yet wasn't he one of the rumored package offers for archer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 09:30 AM) Baseball AmericaVerified account @BaseballAmerica The @astros are reluctant to part with Francis Martes, knowing the righty could debut in 2017, @jakemkaplan writes. http://bba.am/Cmgzxy Houston can go f*** off Peter Gammons reported last week they offered him in the Archer proposal - I trust that more than this. Chalk it up to posturing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:30 AM) Baseball AmericaVerified account @BaseballAmerica The @astros are reluctant to part with Francis Martes, knowing the righty could debut in 2017, @jakemkaplan writes. http://bba.am/Cmgzxy Houston can go f*** off I really hope Martes, Tucker, and Musgrove fail horribly and Houston misses thr playoffs because of rotation issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 http://m.pirates.mlb.com/news/article/2130.../?tcid=tw_share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:26 PM) I've said that I dont believe in Tyler Glasnow much, but Keller + Newman headlining feels like a decent start. The quality of the 4th name makes or breaks that deal. I like Keller, but Keller + Newman feels like pieces 2 and 3 of an appropriate deal to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Baseball AmericaVerified account @BaseballAmerica The @astros are reluctant to part with Francis Martes, knowing the righty could debut in 2017, @jakemkaplan writes. http://bba.am/Cmgzxy Houston can go f*** off Fine by me he's not the Houston pitcher I'd be after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:30 AM) Baseball AmericaVerified account @BaseballAmerica The @astros are reluctant to part with Francis Martes, knowing the righty could debut in 2017, @jakemkaplan writes. http://bba.am/Cmgzxy Houston can go f*** off They would get Quintana WHO WOULD BE HELPING THEM FROM OPENING DAY!!!! There's no could or maybe or if. This is so annoying haha Edited January 10, 2017 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 The packages I would have interest in: Yankees: Torres, Rutherford, Tate, Acevedo, Freicer Perez Astros: Tucker, Martes, Reed, Laureano Pirates: Meadows, Keller, Newman, Hearn Braves: Albies, Acuna, Wentz, Fried, Luke Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:30 AM) Baseball AmericaVerified account @BaseballAmerica The @astros are reluctant to part with Francis Martes, knowing the righty could debut in 2017, @jakemkaplan writes. http://bba.am/Cmgzxy Houston can go f*** off That's laughable If Martes is off the table I'm not even answering the phone again if I am Rick Hahn Scraps are not landing Quintana...a king's random is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:36 AM) They would get Quintana WHO WOULD BE HELPING THEM FROM OPENING DAY!!!! There's no could or maybe or if. This is so annoying haha Woah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) That's laughable If Martes is off the table I'm not even answering the phone again if I am Rick Hahn Scraps are not landing Quintana...a king's random is Lol it'll be like those mtimes in relationships when your gf is mad at you and won't answer your calls so you gotta text to try to make up (only in this scenario, Houston would text they are ready to give into demands haha). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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