You can cancel Avi's contract extension for now...

After today sox will have opened with 29 road games and 16 home games. That is by far the biggest delta in MLB. If it wasn't a rebuilding year I'd be pretty pissed.

Percentage points separating 8-11 in draft order.

 

Moving up.

 

 

First pitch to Anderson wasn't a strike, set up that entire at-bat and led to Timmy barking at him.

Aside from a few nice days, that is sort of the way it should be based on weather in Chicago in April and most of May.

 

Perhaps, but no other team, northern or not, has had such a start.

Leury Garcia, have yourself another good game.

 

Sox continue to battle back on most occasions this season. Didn't really expect a double or homer there from Smith despite the two hits. Hoover struck out the side, and Frazier last inning.

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Damn. I don't think it moves the needle much, but it's another data point. At this point might make sense to hang onto him unless you get bowled over with an offer.

I was following on Game Day and specifically looking at exit velocities. There were several hard hit balls but also several hits in the 75-85 mph exit velocity range. He didn't pitch well but he didn't pitch 8 ER, .583 BABIP bad. I know I'm fighting a losing battle with this but I don't think his trade value is remarkably different from what it was a few hours ago.

I was following on Game Day and specifically looking at exit velocities. There were several hard hit balls but also several hits in the 75-85 mph exit velocity range. He didn't pitch well but he didn't pitch 8 ER, .583 BABIP bad. I know I'm fighting a losing battle with this but I don't think his trade value is remarkably different from what it was a few hours ago.

 

He's had enough bad starts this year that the people who talk him down as a #3 or #4 starter have a lot more ammo. It might not be much different from a few hours ago, but its certainly much different than it was this offseason.

When's the last time a pitcher with a 4.9 era was acquired for a huge prospect package in the middle of the season?

 

Not easy to use "sabes" to sell a move like that to your fanbase. Joking, but not 100%

He's had enough bad starts this year that the people who talk him down as a #3 or #4 starter have a lot more ammo. It might not be much different from a few hours ago, but its certainly much different than it was this offseason.

No argument there

At least the bullpen is still good.

When's the last time a pitcher with a 4.9 era was acquired for a huge prospect package in the middle of the season?

 

Not easy to use "sabes" to sell a move like that to your fanbase. Joking, but not 100%

 

Agreed, good luck unloading the farm for a big ERA like that.

Really bad series for Yolmer and Avi

Omar should be allowed to use an aluminum bat. His lack of power is astonishing

Q had thrown five good games in a row. Today was not one of them.

 

The Sox to me are looking tired. They've come back to make a game of it a lot of times but never enough to get over the hump.

 

I just think all these road games are catching up to them.

Q had thrown five good games in a row. Today was not one of them.

 

The Sox to me are looking tired. They've come back to make a game of it a lot of times but never enough to get over the hump.

 

I just think all these road games are catching up to them.

Yeah, I hate seeing lines like today's, but Quintana was pretty damn good for five straight starts before this one. Just got to hope he can return to form for most of June & Jule and get his numbers closer to recent levels.

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Good test for Sale tonight against the Rangers...

 

Front page of ESPN as he goes for 9 consecutive with at least ten k's to set record.

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3-7 road trip. Perfect.

 

3-6 the next nine will get them close to the bottom of the league at the 1/3 mark.

Sale three k's through 2.

Just 20 pitches, 2.13 era.

 

People need to put things in perspective. This is a bad team. Despite numerous players playing way better than expected and highly unlikely to maintain that level, they are 1 game better than the worst record in the AL. They will be horrible. Q will be fine. Had a bad couple of innings today. His ERA won't be 4.90 at the deadline. Randy Johnson had a 4.33 at the deadline and got traded for 3 decent prospects including Freddy Garcia. He had a 1.28 ERA the rest of the way.

What? You mean this game?

 

When he gets runners on base he is monumentally slow...

 

It's pretty horrid.

When he gets runners on base he is monumentally slow...

 

It's pretty horrid.

 

 

Ok and that is the observations of Hawk and Stone also. Stone is puzzled by how slow and deliberate Q becomes from the stretch

People need to put things in perspective. This is a bad team. Despite numerous players playing way better than expected and highly unlikely to maintain that level, they are 1 game better than the worst record in the AL. They will be horrible. Q will be fine. Had a bad couple of innings today. His ERA won't be 4.90 at the deadline. Randy Johnson had a 4.33 at the deadline and got traded for 3 decent prospects including Freddy Garcia. He had a 1.28 ERA the rest of the way.

 

You're talking about a HoF pitcher, perhaps the most dominant strikeout guy of his generation.

 

It's a good point about a 4+ ERA, but you ask 100 casual fans to name the best 10 starting pitchers in baseball and Q's name might come up once or twice (SABES owners or White Sox fans).

 

If you asked that question at the time of the Big Unit trade, he would have been on 100/100 fan lists.

 

And even then, you're talking about a full 1/2 point of ERA. Below 4.5, the perception is you're closer to 4 and being in a decent band range. 4.82, you're closer to 5. Once again, perception is more important than reality in statistics.

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People need to put things in perspective. This is a bad team. Despite numerous players playing way better than expected and highly unlikely to maintain that level, they are 1 game better than the worst record in the AL. They will be horrible. Q will be fine. Had a bad couple of innings today. His ERA won't be 4.90 at the deadline. Randy Johnson had a 4.33 at the deadline and got traded for 3 decent prospects including Freddy Garcia. He had a 1.28 ERA the rest of the way.

 

Might be better to trade him in the offseason anyway.

 

You're talking about a HoF pitcher, perhaps the most dominant strikeout guy of his generation.

 

It's a good point about a 4+ ERA, but you ask 100 casual fans to name the best 10 starting pitchers in baseball and Q's name might come up once or twice (SABES owners or White Sox fans).

 

If you asked that question at the time of the Big Unit trade, he would have been on 100/100 fan lists.

 

And even then, you're talking about a full 1/2 point of ERA. Below 4.5, the perception is you're closer to 4 and being in a decent band range. 4.82, you're closer to 5. Once again, perception is more important than reality in statistics.

It is also 3 months vs. 3 years.

 

And fans don't make the trades. Q was lousy for 2 innings yesterday. If he hadn't beeen his ERA would be a run or more lower. What was Samardzija's ERA in 2015 when he got $90 million?

It is also 3 months vs. 3 years.

 

And fans don't make the trades. Q was lousy for 2 innings yesterday. If he hadn't beeen his ERA would be a run or more lower. What was Samardzija's ERA in 2015 when he got $90 million?

 

 

Well, nobody accused the White Sox or Giants' front offices of always being right.

It's actually amazing how much more respect Bochy has gotten compared to Sabean for that string of title runs.

 

I wonder if Han could have gotten the same return for a Q deal as he surrendered to rent Chapman for a couple months. White Sox fans would take that deal in a heartbeat right now.

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