June 16, 20178 yr Now that the draft has been completed here's my stab at a revised top 30 prospect list. What a change from years past when our #1 picks automatically entered the system at or near the top (Hawkins, Anderson, Fulmer, etc.) There's too much top-end talent for that to occur now, even knowing Burger and perhaps Sheets would have ranked in the top-5 were this, say, 2015. I'm a hair cooler than most on Kopech until his control improves--at least enough to ensure he remains a starter. I also think our AAA pitchers are for the most part doing better than their stats indicate given Charlotte is such a strong hitter's park. With that... 1. Moncada 2b 2. Giolito RHP 3. Robert CF 4. Kopech RHP 5. Lopez RHP 6. Burdi RHP 7. Collins C 8. Hansen RHP 9. Fulmer RHP 10. Dunning RHP 11. Burger 3b 12. Basabe CF 13. Adams RHP 14. Sheets 1b 15. Adolfo RF 16. Fisher LF 17. Call CF 18. Diaz RHP 19. Tilson CF 20. Stephens RHP 21. Curbelo SS 22. Bummer LHP 23. Flores LHP 24. Gonzalez CF 25. Nunez SS 26. T. Johnson RHP 27. Guerrero LHP 28. Henzman RHP 29. L. Martinez RHP 30. McClure RHP Thoughts....? Edited June 16, 20178 yr by Dizzy Sox
June 16, 20178 yr Stephens way too low, Diaz way too high. Burdi as a reliever is way too high as well
June 16, 20178 yr Isn't it refreshing to not see our first round pick default to #1 simply because the rest of the system is junk.
June 16, 20178 yr Yeah I'd say that's 2-3 spots high for Burdi, and I agree that Stephens > Diaz, though I think that's about the range they both belong. Overall, though, I'd say that's about right. Definitely feels weird to have the 1st round pick fall outside of the top ten.
June 16, 20178 yr I'm too lazy to do a top 30 here at lunch but I think I'd slot Burger in at 8. For me: Moncada Kopech Robert Hansen(yes I know this is higher than probably everyone) Gio Collins Lopez Burger Dunning Fulmer
June 16, 20178 yr With Adams/Guerrero having bounceback years (feel like Guerrero should be in the top 20) and Adolfo showing life suddenly the 11-20 range in our system isn't looking too bad.
June 16, 20178 yr I might rank Evan Skoug higher than anyone drafted this season besides Sheets and Burger.
June 16, 20178 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 12:44 PM) I might rank Evan Skoug higher than anyone drafted this season besides Sheets and Burger. It is so nice to have a little hope again regarding the future. The pitching was already starting to look good and now adding some serious bats. 2019 can't come soon enough.
June 16, 20178 yr Top 5 hasn't changed. Burger probably slots in the 6-10 range. Sheets in the 15-20 and Luis Gonzalez, McClure and Skoug in the 20-30.
June 16, 20178 yr Author QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 12:05 PM) Also why is Bummer so high and Guerrero so low? My thinking was that Bummer has great stuff (lefty who can hit 97) and Guerrero is repeating AA with a mixed record of success over the last 2 year. But you could certainly make the case the two should be flip flopped.
June 16, 20178 yr This is where I have the top 15 in my eyes Moncada Kopech Robert Giolito Lopez Collins Fulmer Burger Hansen Dunning Burdi Adams Guerrero Basabe Adolfo
June 16, 20178 yr To me the first 10 is interchangeable depending on who you ask. I will focus on 10-30 range. - Delmonico absolutely needs to be higher than the likes of Call and Fisher - already performing at a higher level, and ceiling is same or better. - It's hard to justify Cueblo in the top 30 ranking. - Technically Engel and May are still prospects, but I'm fine with leaving them off the ranking - Cooper should be ranked before Diaz, Martinez, Bummer, etc. I would compare him to Chris Bassitt as a prospect.
June 16, 20178 yr I'm putting Kopech ahead of Moncada simply because I like his chances of reaching his ceiling with the Sox rather than Moncada could. 1. Kopech 2. Moncada 3. Robert 4. Lopez 5. Giolito 6. Collins 7. Hansen 8. Dunning 9. Fulmer 10. Burdi 11. Burger 12. Guerrero 13. Stephens 14. Adams 15. Delmonico 16. Tilson 17. Call 18. Sheets 19. Basabe 20. Cooper 21. Adolfo 22. Flores 23. Fisher 24. L Gonzalez 25. Skoug 26. Hamilton 27. T Johnson 28. Henzman 29. Clark 30. McClure
June 16, 20178 yr QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) I'm too lazy to do a top 30 here at lunch but I think I'd slot Burger in at 8. For me: Moncada Kopech Robert Hansen(yes I know this is higher than probably everyone) Gio Collins Lopez Burger Dunning Fulmer He may be #4 or even 3 for me by end of season if he continues to perform (and limit BB%) in High A. I have him at 7 right now just because he hasn't pitched above Low A.
June 16, 20178 yr My top 20 right now would be: 1. Moncada 2. Kopech 3. Robert 4. Lopez 5. Giolito 6. Collins 7. Hansen 8. Burger 9. Dunning 10. Burdi 11. Delmonico 12. Fulmer 13. Basabe 14. Adams 15. Adolfo 16. Call 17. Sheets 18. Fisher 19. Stephens 20. Guerrero That's about the strongest our 11-20 has been in years. 4 or 5 of those guys could lose prospect eligibility before the end of the season though, so hopefully we can add a few more quality prospects at the deadline.
June 16, 20178 yr Let's try that again... here's my list, assuming they sign all the big kids, and without doing any real research... 1. Moncada 2. Kopech 3. Robert 4. Giolito 5. Lopez 6. Collins 7. Hansen 8. Fulmer 9. Burger 10. Engel 11. Burdi 12. Stephens 13. Basabe 14. Sheets 15. Dunning 16. Adolfo 17. Delmonico 18. Skoug 19. Adams 20. Michalczewski 21. Gonzalez 22. Fisher 23. Guerrero 24. Call 25. Zavala 26. Danish 27. Booker 28. Flores 29. Curbelo 30. Nunez Also of note: Goldberg, McClure, Cooper, Josue Guerrero, Alvarez, Peter, Clark, Perez, Diaz, Hayes, Cruz, Ty Johnson, Schnurbusch, Alfaro, B Hickman, Mendick, Remillard, Zangari
June 16, 20178 yr I don't know Fisher's defensive report, but power and all I'd have a hard time putting Skoug ahead of fisher given that Fisher has produced so far and that so few think Skoug can stick at C.
June 16, 20178 yr QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 04:30 PM) I don't know Fisher's defensive report, but power and all I'd have a hard time putting Skoug ahead of fisher given that Fisher has produced so far and that so few think Skoug can stick at C. On second thought I'd probably put Fisher a couple slots higher. But I have some concerns there. I think Skoug has a higher ceiling even as a hitter than Fisher does, and Skoug also has at least some shot to stick at catcher. QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 04:30 PM) Actually my other takeaway NSS is I'm shocked you have Engel at 10. Yeah, I've been higher on him than others for a while now. But given more thought, I'd probably drop him a few slots. Not many though - he's in the 10-14 range on that list for me. I love the tools, and I think he's shown this year he can stick with a hitting approach. Far more valuable, IMO, than any of May, WGarcia, Liriano or LGarcia (despite Leury's scorching start).
June 16, 20178 yr Wasn't Skoug like a potential 1st rounder at some point? I'm not the biggest prospect guy in the world, but my guess is he's closer to 15 than 25.
June 16, 20178 yr Gut reactions with no research at the moment 1. Moncada 2. Kopech 3. Robert 4. Giolito 5. Hansen 6. Collins 7. Lopez 8. Fulmer 9. Burger 10. Stephens 11. Basabe 12. Dunning 13. Engel 14. Burdi 15. Adolfo 16. Sheets 17. Delmonico 18. Skoug 19. Adams 20. Fisher 21. Call 22. Gonzalez 23. Guerrero 24. Cooper 25. Zavala 26. Danish 27. Booker 28. Alvarez 29. Curbelo 30. B. Hickman
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