Have we decided he's bad now? I hadn't paid attention since the "anyone is better than Ventura" days

Every manager we'll ever have we'll be considered bad here. That's not a shot at anyone, that's just sports message boards in a nut shell.

So you really think Dustin Fowler is a waste of a gamble?

You would be wrong:

 

Evidence:

 

 

I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc.

I was just thinking that. He seems like a 3rd or 4th piece.

 

I think it's pretty unlikely Clarkin is the 2nd best piece in this deal. Trading 3 above average major leaguers. Two of which have control beyond this season. This package should contain Rutheford, (insert prospect), Clarkin, +

So you really think Dustin Fowler is a waste of a gamble?

 

Worth it

Damn, glad to see Inwas wrong and Rutherford is in the deal. I just hope Clarkin isn't the second biggest piece coming our way. Can't imagine Dave would react the way he did if he was.

 

Also, how crazy is it that Basabe was our #1 OF prospect two months ago and now we have three guys in the top 50. Hell, Basabe probably would be ranked #6 now if I had to guess.

Basabe is barely top 30. The crazy part is that Burger and Collins barely make it into the top 15 (!). Sox are loaded.

Starting outfield in 2020: Rutherford in Left, Robert in CF and Jimenez in RF. Yes!!!!!!

And you know me; a left handed bat!!!! Big bonus.

You would be wrong:

 

Evidence:

 

 

If you want to be bad, be the worst. Fans will show up at the end of the rebuild or when studs start showing up.

It seemed to work out quite well for the Astros, too. I'm sure the Nationals aren't regretting ending up with Harper & Strasburg, either. There is no guaranteed way to build a contender, but bottoming out/rebuilding is the most likely way to build a sustainable contender.

I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc.

 

Theo has said he wanted them to lose

We get Clippard

I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc.

 

Sherman reporting no money expected to change hands in the deal. Rutherford was included in q trade talks.

Clippard coming back in the deal

Sox are taking Clippard.

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I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc.

Uh, go look at those lineups in a season where they won 61 games. They tanked. It's part of the game.

 

And don't give me that Bryant crap. The Astros blew their number 1 pick, but if the Cubs weren't horrible, they wouldn't have had a shot at Bryant.

 

The tank is on. It's time to get with the program.

I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc.

 

Schwarber was the 4th pick in the draft, well in to their tank era. And he had a pretty darn good World Series.

Obviously no issues taking on money but that better mean there's some more talent coming as well.

Bob Nightengale‏Verified account @BNightengale 26s26 seconds ago

The #Yankees are sending outfielder Blake Rutherford, their first-round pick in 2016, to the #WhiteSox as part of the deal.

 

 

Sox are taking Clippard.

Gotta be the reason why we got Rutherford or the player Dave is talking about. Free agent at the end of the year anyways.

Edited July 19, 20178 yr by Soxnfins

Basabe is barely top 30. The crazy part is that Burger and Collins barely make it into the top 15 (!). Sox are loaded.

Plus all the pitchers...It's gonna be HARD to make the White Sox. As it should be.

Clippard will help the tanking effort tremendously.

Clippard coming back our way

Encouraging to see the Sox taking a "bad" contract to improve the prospect haul. Props to JR for truly committing to a rebuild.

Tyler Clippard in the deal

I would bet under barring a huge shift in what he's doing at the plate. He is literally swinging for flyballs in an attempt to hit home runs, and hitting flyballs otherwise. His IFFB% is right around 17% over the past 3 seasons. His BABIP is s*** because it deserves to be s***.

 

Exactly. I'm all for advanced statistics, but at some point the common sense eye test needs to come in play. You can't just compute #'s like there is no human factor going into it. Watch 1 Todd Frazier AB and watch him pull off/try to hook every single pitch he sees no matter the speed or location and it should be obvious why he has a low BABIP.

 

And to the original guy...sorry I don't to fake internet bets.

Theo has said he wanted them to lose

 

Didn't do a great job of it seeing as their draft positions were #6, #2, #4, and #9 during the rebuild phase

Deal may have fallen through